Episode 32 – Danny DeVito for Elk County District Attorney – Transcript

10Apr, 2023
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Starting now.

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Commonalities where guests find
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all the topics your grandmother told
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And now your host, Matthew Dowling,

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and today's guests on commonalities.

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Thanks for joining us here on another
episode of Commonalities. I'm your host,

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Matt Dak. My guest today is Danny
DeVito, not the Danny DeVito.

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You may be thinking of, uh, you know,
from the seventies and eighties, uh, on,

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on television and on the big
screen, uh, but a, a really,

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uh, educated young man, a
lawyer who resides in Ridgeway,

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Pennsylvania,

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and he's currently running for the
post of District Attorney in Elk

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County. Danny, I want to thank
you for joining me today,

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and here at the top of the show,

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I want to give you a chance to give a
little bit about your background and, uh,

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and a bit of a self introduction.

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Sure. Well, thanks Matt
for having me on the show.

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I certainly appreciate the opportunity
to come on and talk a little bit about my

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race. Uh, as you said, I'm an attorney.
I currently reside in Elk County.

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I graduated from the University of Akron
School of Law where I was an honors

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fellow. And then during
and after law school,

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I worked as a law clerk for a large
emergency medical and hospitalist care

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provider.

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Then shifted over to a civil litigation
firm that was focused on medical

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malpractice, personal injury,
commercial litigation,

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and then also worked as a law
clerk for criminal law attorneys.

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And then have had some other
experiences including, um,

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some consulting work, uh, some
political experiences, uh,

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was involved with various
races and businesses, and, um,

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so kind of have that broader
experience as well. And, um,

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then I went on to serve as
the judicial law clerk, uh,

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for the 59th Judicial District,

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which is the quarter common plea that
actually covers both Elk and Cameron

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County. Uh, it's a two
county district, you know,

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work daily with the judges there,

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researching all aspects of the law to
help draft some opinions and orders,

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and managed, uh, the civil protective
order system for the district,

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kind of coordinating between all
parties, uh, law enforcement,

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and, uh, answering questions about
that. Then, uh, went on to serve, um,

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or excuse me, found my own law firm,
DeVito Law Office llc, here in Elk County.

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And we're, we're doing great, you know,

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we serve clients not just in Elk County,
but in the surrounding region. And,

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you know,

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I like taking all of those experiences
that I've had before and serving clients,

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and now I'm running for a district
attorney here in Elk County, because,

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you know, I see some things wrong with
the, the way things are being done,

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and I think we have to fix those.

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So, you know, you mentioned some of
your experiences. It sounds like you're,

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you're pretty well-rounded, but,
uh, the firm that you founded, uh,

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you handle both civil and
criminal, uh, litigation there?

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Uh, we do, you know, up here
there's actually, unlike, uh,

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places like Pittsburgh or Philadelphia,

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there's actually a decline in the number
of attorneys. We're facing almost a,

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an attorney's shortage,
if you could believe that.

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So it's a general law practice. Uh,

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I kind of have to cover a wide
variety of cases. So, you know,

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anything from, uh, family matters to, uh,

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some criminal matters to, uh,

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some business litigation and always
open to taking, uh, you know,

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on bigger cases as well, uh, and just
trying to help people out where we can.

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So, you know, you're running
for public office and,

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and anytime a person runs for public
office, it's generally because they see,

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uh, that they could be answered to, uh,

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a change that they see needing to
happen, uh, you know, within a,

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a part particular office or a
particular, uh, position. So,

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I always like to ask kind
of, uh, the magic question.

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If you woke up tomorrow morning,

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what would the perfect world in the, uh,

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elk County DA's office look like?
You know, what would be, uh,

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the first things that you would
address or change, uh, at,

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as you see needing fit,
uh, at this point in time?

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Well, we're facing a serious problem here
in Elk County with the drug situation,

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the fentanyl situation. And I think the
whole nation is facing that problem.

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And my contention is whatever we're
doing now just is not working.

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You know, the, the fentanyl originates
in China, it then goes to Mexico,

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crosses the border, you know,

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it's distributed all over the United
States and ends up in communities like St.

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Mary's, like Ridgeway,
um, like Johnson Burg,

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like J Township, Wheatville, like Benette.

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And it, it's a big problem.

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And there's that big chain of drugs that
starts in China, goes through Mexico,

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then ends up here in Elk County.

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So we always talk about the national
solution to that. Obviously,

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I think we need to finish
the wall. We need to, uh,

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get tough on the immigration questions,
you know, at the state level, you know,

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we, we can't be providing sanctuaries,

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but locally I think we have
a responsibility to address
this problem too. And I,

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I would do that by taking a more
aggressive stance against these cartels.

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You know, when, when you
constantly offer very weak,

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uh, plea bargains to the people who are
selling drugs to children, you know,

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what, what does that say? What
kind of message does that say? So,

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I would start by, I,

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I guess it's really a question of
what are we as a community willing

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to tolerate,

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and by sending a message that we are
not gonna tolerate people selling drugs

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to children. Uh, frankly, I think
the laws are too weak on that,

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but we can use the laws that we
have in order to dissuade people

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from, uh, coming into
Elk County to sell drugs.

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I've heard from law enforcement
that people will say, oh, well,

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I'm gonna go across the Elk
County line to sell the drugs,

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because I know that we're gonna get
a better deal there if we're caught.

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You know, I know I'm just gonna do a,
a quick stay in, uh, the county jail,

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which then burdens taxpayers
here in Elk County. So it,

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it's really gonna be a change in mindset.
I think, to answer your question,

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you know, what are we doing?

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Should the district attorney
just be processing cases?

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Is it only about prosecuting crimes?
Uh, you know, prosecuting crime's,

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part of it. But I think it
goes deeper than that. It's,

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it's a responsibility to the
people of the county to keep them

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safe and to stand up for them. So by
going in there with that mindset that, oh,

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this isn't just another
attorney job, this is a,

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a public position of trust
that's accountable to the people.

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And just being aggressive with these
people that are coming in to sell

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their poison and sell their garbage.

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In, in Elk County, uh, in,

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in many ways is very similar to
Fayette County where I reside,

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or Somerset County, which I used to
represent, uh, in the State House,

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um, where, you know, we, we
kind of become those, uh,

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those little communities
where drugs stop, uh,

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overnight on their way
to the big cities of,

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of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia,
uh, and rural Pennsylvania.

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I see as, uh, as hu
having huge problems with,

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with drugs that are, uh, not only
traveling through those areas,

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but ultimately, uh, you know,
find homes and buyers within,

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within those rural
Pennsylvania areas. Uh, so I,

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I think many of my listeners on the,
uh, the radio side of this program,

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uh, in Fayette County, will be able to,
to identify with that problem as well.

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So in the district attorney's office,
you know, a huge responsibility,

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uh, is kind of, uh, leadership.

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So I want to talk a little bit about
your leadership abilities because, uh,

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even in our smaller rural counties
of, of Pennsylvania, um, you know,

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the district attorney can't
always, uh, be at every hearing or,

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um, et cetera. So, you know,
you have to lead a team of,

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of attorneys, some of which are, you
know, underpaid and, and part-time and,

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and so forth. So,

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I want to give you a chance to talk
about your leadership ability and what is

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your vision really for, uh, leading
the district attorney's office?

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Sure. So here in Elk County currently,

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there's actually only one part-time
assistant district attorney.

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And the district attorney
has to actually be hands on

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in a lot of the cases, you know, know
with only one other attorney on staff. So,

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to me, the leadership question
is not only within the office,

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but how can I work with other agencies,

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law enforcement,

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other community leaders in order to
facilitate building a safer community?

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So I'm going to do that by
bringing back a hotline.

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There used to be a drug
hotline in Elk County, uh,

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where people could call up and
pass along information, you know,

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an actual hotline. I
think that's important.

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I I'm gonna be expanding that hotline
so people can call in and say, well,

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you know, we have this problem
on the block, you know,

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and I'll go down and take
a look at it personally.

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I'm gonna be having town
halls at least twice a month,

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at least in different
corners of the county,

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because not everyone can get
to the population centers.

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So I'm gonna go to them and I'm gonna be
working with people in those townships,

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uh,

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to essentially have a network of
people who can then assist the district

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attorney in, in, uh, doing
what we need to do. Well,

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in terms of the, the office in terms
of leadership style, you know, I think,

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I think it's important to be firm, but
fair is a thing that I like to use.

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You know, it's, it's
important to lead by example,

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but you also have to have expectations.

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And if people are not living up to my
expectations, then they're gonna go.

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Sure. And, and you made a great
segue for, uh, for my next, uh,

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point of conversation, which is, you know,

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the fact that when we talk
about district attorney,

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or when the district
attorney is portrayed, uh,

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on a television show, which, you know, I,

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I think a lot of our legal
dramas that people watch on tv,

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TV are actually poorly done, uh, and,

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and don't really show what that
office is really all about.

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But when we talk about district attorney,

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people think about courtrooms
and court cases, but, you know,

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it goes a lot further than that. You
are the chief law enforcement agent,

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uh, for, for your county. Uh,

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and so you started to talk a little bit
about partnering with law enforcement.

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Uh, you know, I'm not extremely
familiar with Elk, elk County.

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Hopefully you can educate me a little bit,

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but I'm sure P S P or state
police coverage, uh, is,

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is who you would be working with a lot.

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So you have to be willing to
partner with those agencies

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and really work with those agencies, uh,

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as the chief law enforcement,
uh, agent of the county.

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So I wanted to give you an opportunity
to talk a little bit about that.

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Yeah, I think you have to be available
to the people on the front lines,

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you know, that involves being
available at all hours, you know,

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24 7, if something comes
up, if a situation comes up,

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you can't be off doing something
else. If, if there's a homicide,

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if there's a serious crisis
that starts to unfold. It, it,

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it comes down to being available
and actually getting to know people,

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so they're comfortable working with me.
And, you know, again, like you said,

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you are the chief law enforcement, uh,
authority in the county. So again, it's,

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it's,

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I I think that when you fulfill your
obligations and you fulfill your job,

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and you do what you're supposed to
do, and don't take the lazy way out,

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don't take the easy way out,

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then I think other people naturally
will wanna do their job. You know,

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I've heard from some people, you know,
what, why should I bother doing X, Y,

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and Z if it's just gonna
get thrown out? You know,

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if we have somebody distributing fentanyl
who's gonna be able to, uh, you know,

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even in schools perhaps, you know,

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who's gonna be able to
walk with a, a possession?

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Why, why would I bother, you know,
putting in the time in that investigation.

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So I think when you have a district
attorney who's going to, uh,

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actually see cases through all the
way, uh, versus what we have now,

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then I think you're gonna
see a shift at all levels.

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Sure. And, and obviously
as the district attorney,

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you're not making that initial
traffic stop, but you never know. Uh,

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and we saw this particularly in, in
Somerset County where I, where I was, uh,

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where I represented for
a while, um, you know,

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coming through on a
major thoroughfare like,

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like the Pennsylvania Turn Park Pike,
a simple traffic stop can really,

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uh, start to involve drug trafficking and,

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and other problems that you're
seeing within your area.

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So while you may not be the, uh, the
person making that traffic stop, because,

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you know, you're, you're not the
state police, you're not a local, uh,

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My guest today is Danny
DeVito, a candidate for, uh,

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district attorney in Elk County.
And, uh, and I know Danny has,

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has run for office before, and he
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so I'm sure some of the people that
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uh, that, you know, has listeners
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and different parts of
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will be interested to hear some
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uh, as he is preparing, uh,

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for the upcoming primary and general
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uh, before we went to our
commercial break about, uh,

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some of your, your take on
leadership on law enforcement. Um,

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you know, my next question would be,

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what policies will you implement, um,

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to promote public safety
in, in your county?

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I know you already talked about, uh, at
least twice a month doing a town hall.

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Um, but what are some of the other ideas
that you have to, uh, to implement, uh,

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or promote, uh, public
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You know,

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I think a lot of it begins with the
attitude you go into the office with.

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So taking citizen complaints seriously,

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taking seriously the thoughts
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and really just approaching the
job as if this is a mission.

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I'm on a mission to keep
everybody safe in Elk County.

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A as far as specific
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I think that the current policy
of pleading everybody to a

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county sentence that we see
as opposed to, uh, you know,

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perhaps a state correctional institution,

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I think that we need to take a look at
the plea bargain policy going on, uh,

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currently, because frankly,

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the state correctional
institution sometimes have
programs that the county does

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not have and doesn't have
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So it would be taking a look at individual
cases and seeing what actually fits

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here. Um, number two, I would
definitely, I think at Elk County,

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we have, I'll be honest,

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sometimes a problem where things become
too collegial. And by that I mean,

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we have a legal system where we
have the option to go to trial.

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And if we can't seem to agree that I'm
gonna be willing to take cases to trial

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and let a jury decide, uh, what's
going on, you know, a number.

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I think the flip side of that too,
by the way, is that, you know,

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if there's somebody who's overcharged,
you need to be able to tell, uh,

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your own people, you know what, uh, there,

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there's just not enough here in terms
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But really focusing, uh,

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the office on going after people
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crimes. You know, if you
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in my opinion, you should ride
the lightning. But, you know,

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that's not an option
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but you should not be allowed to
then walk free on the streets. Again,

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if you deliver fentanyl
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you need to be held
accountable for that. You know,

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that's drug delivery
resulting in depth. And these,

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these people are working for,
you know, really bad people.

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They're working for these Chinese and
Mexican cartels that are sending the drugs

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here to the country. So they need
to be held accountable. You know,

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if somebody harms a child,
if you're a child predator,

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you need to be prosecuted to the fullest.

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It's not just about resolving
the case, it's about allowing,

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either the guy will plead
to everything and take what

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sentence he deserves, or a
jury's gonna tell him, no,

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we're not gonna tolerate that
type of behavior in Elk County.

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So again, it's really just doing
what you're supposed to do,

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not having a lackadaisical
attitude, you know,

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focusing on doing the job
at hand. Um, and, and that,

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that's really what it comes down to.

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Well, and, and you used a good
word there, lackadaisical. And, um,

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you know, I,

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I think sometimes our people
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political power, whether it be a district
attorney, whether it be a legislator,

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whether it be a county commissioner,
they become complacent in their roles.

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And the next thing I wanted to
talk about was, um, you know,

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how you see your ability to be able to

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adapt to, uh, changing times and,

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and changing legislation
that's coming down, uh,

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to be able to kind of stay up to date
with what may be a best practice in

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the DA's office. And, and
not only that, um, you know,

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while the district attorney
isn't able to make the laws, uh,

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I do think that you have the ability
to advocate. I know that, uh,

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throughout my, my brief time
in in the legislature, uh,

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over the past six years,

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I had the ability to talk with
district attorneys that said, Hey,

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these are the tools that we need,
uh, to put into Pennsylvania law. So,

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I, I kind of wanted to
talk about your, uh,

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agility to change with the times
and, and how you see your role, uh,

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working with, with changing
legislation and best.

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Practices. Sure, Matt. So I think that's
really a three part question. You know,

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adapting to changing laws,
adapting to changing times,

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and then how I would advocate. So
first I'll address the changing laws.

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I think that it's important for a district
attorney to make sure that the cops

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on the front line are apprised
of changes in the law.

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One example of this is the
case law changed on whether
you can use the smell of

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marijuana as, um, as probable
cause for a stop. You know,

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you no longer can. So it's, you know,

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you don't want to run into a
situation where you have a big bust,

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but now the evidence is
compromised, you know,

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so the district attorney should have
informed all the police about that. Um,

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there's other changes too, you
know, regarding DUIs and, you know,

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everything from DUIs is up
to homicide. So, you know, I,

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I like keeping up with changes in
the case law. I read the updates,

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I get the updates sent to me, and, you
know, I find it personally interesting.

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So again,

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I would be distributing any
relevant changes directly
to the departments to make

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sure, hey, this is what you
gotta do from now on. You know,

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in terms of changing times, generally,
I don't think that's gonna affect me.

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You know, I don't frankly care
if the times are changing.

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I'm not gonna change the way that, you
know, I talk or the way I do things.

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You know, I think that there
is such a thing as, you know,

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just cuz the times are changing,

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that doesn't necessarily mean it's the
better way. And a lot of re respects,

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I think, you know, we, we should go back
to the way things used to be done. So,

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you know, I guess I'm a reactionary
in some regards on that. You know,

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I don't think we need to jump, you know,

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every time the social workers
tell us to jump and, oh,

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you have to do this and
that. Now, you know,

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I think there's something to be said
for old-fashioned accountability. Uh,

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and then in terms of advocacy, you know,

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a lot of the listeners will
probably remember that, uh,

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I was the one that obtained counsel
to sue Governor Wolf in March of,

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uh, 2020 against the coronavirus lockdown.

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So I'm not afraid to take on people,
you know, I, I took on Governor Wolf,

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secretary Levine when a lot of people
in the Republican party even were still

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saying, oh, you don't want to do
this, you don't want to do that.

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I'm not afraid to take a stand when
I think something needs to be done.

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So now I'm gonna use my platform to
advocate for Elk County to make sure that

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we're getting the
resources that we deserve,

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that we're not ignored by Harrisburg.
Like it's been done for so long,

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and you're not letting people push,
push the county around. You know,

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it's about enforcing small laws, but,
you know, you have some situations where,

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you know, why are small businesses, you
know, held to certain standard strictly,

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but then you see multinational
corporations that come
in and do whatever they

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want. So, you know, there is a
certain bully pulpit aspect to it.

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And I think with my fight against
the unconstitutional lockdowns,

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I think people can be
very safe and secure,

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and knowing that I'm going to be an
advocate on their behalf as well.

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So, you know, while we're
on the subject of advocacy,

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I I wanted to ask you if you
think or feel that there are any

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Pennsylvania laws that should be
kinda revisited to be able to better

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serve, uh, the, the public and
the people of Pennsylvania. Uh,

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I didn't know if there's
a specific piece that, uh,

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that you had in mind already
that, that you think needs, uh,

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needs to be revisited by the legislature?

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Well, I do believe in separation
of powers. So I'm not,

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I'm not sure it's the district attorney's
role to be telling the legislature

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what exactly to do. Um, but
certainly if anyone, uh,

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asks my opinion on it,
I, I think that number,

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number one,

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police need to be able to do the job
that we send them out to do. You know,

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they can't be having their hands tied
behind their back when they're trying to

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enforce the law. So I don't
know if that's a current, um,

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law that needs to be
changed more so than a,

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than a policy that's kind of crept
in and had the force of law. Uh,

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the second thing that I think
Pennsylvania really needs to

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00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,470
do better with is when you read the
way some of the statutes are written,

439
00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:25,020
when you read the way some of
the laws are crafted there,

440
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:28,900
there's a lot of vagueness there. You
know, it's an example I can think of,

441
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:32,860
and I'm not saying that this law
necessarily is the top priority,

442
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,780
but you look at the way some
of the DUI laws are written,

443
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:40,820
or you look at the way some of
the criminal codes are written,

444
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,020
and there's, there's too
much room for interpretation.

445
00:27:45,020 --> 00:27:46,580
So I think that needs to be tightened up.

446
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,510
So, um, you know, my my next question
is about application of the law.

447
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:58,430
And I, I think I probably know what
your answer is, um, but you know, in,

448
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:59,790
in my mind's eye,

449
00:28:00,130 --> 00:28:03,510
the law should be blind regardless of,

450
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,710
of who it is that is, uh,

451
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,310
is breaking the law or who it is that, uh,

452
00:28:10,540 --> 00:28:13,630
that has committed a crime. Um, you know,

453
00:28:13,630 --> 00:28:17,750
when that person comes into,
uh, into your office and,

454
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:22,390
and your prosecuting, uh, there should
be no favoritism or, or buddy-buddy,

455
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,990
uh, you know, kind of attitude that's
given to, to certain individuals.

456
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,310
Uh, you know, I wanted to
give you a chance to, to
talk a little bit about that.

457
00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:33,430
And, and, you know, this is kind of a,

458
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,070
an important piece to me because
I do think that the law has to be

459
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:41,790
applied, uh, the same way universally, uh,

460
00:28:42,260 --> 00:28:43,270
across the board.

461
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:47,270
Absolutely. If you don't
apply the law fairly,

462
00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:50,750
then that actually undermines
our whole republic,

463
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,190
because people are gonna
look at that and say, well,

464
00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:58,430
this guy's being treated fairly,
or, you know, getting a good deal.

465
00:28:58,490 --> 00:29:01,870
I'm here charged with the same
thing or something even lesser,

466
00:29:02,010 --> 00:29:04,670
and I'm getting a stiffer
sentence. People notice that,

467
00:29:04,670 --> 00:29:07,030
and I've seen that in the
courtroom before, by the way,

468
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:10,630
where people will have
essentially identical charges,

469
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:14,110
almost identical fact
patterns. Well, you know,

470
00:29:14,110 --> 00:29:17,750
this guy negotiated for, you
know, probation. You know,

471
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:20,430
if this guy's going away for two
years, you know, why does that happen?

472
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,550
It it undermines the system, and
it's something that I don't like.

473
00:29:23,550 --> 00:29:26,190
And I think no matter who you are,

474
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:30,270
you need to be treated the same by
your district attorney's office.

475
00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:34,670
I don't care if you are, you're
the poorest person in town,

476
00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:37,950
the richest person in town, you
know what your reputation is,

477
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:40,150
whether you're known as
a good guy or a bad guy.

478
00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:43,520
The law needs to look
at the person and say,

479
00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:48,240
what are the facts here? How
does the law apply to it?

480
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:53,080
And we'll treat the person fairly. And
no, you can't, you can't show favoritism.

481
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,150
You can't, uh, you can't
treat people better,

482
00:29:56,150 --> 00:29:58,270
and you can't treat people
worse because of who they are.

483
00:29:58,270 --> 00:30:01,990
And once you start doing that, then
the country is, the country's done.

484
00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:05,190
Well, and, and you make a
great point that, you know,

485
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:10,150
that can shake out both directions,
whether someone be treated, uh,

486
00:30:10,150 --> 00:30:15,110
with favoritism or whether there's
a witch hunt, uh, you know, for a,

487
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:19,910
a a certain individual, uh, that
is treated harsher than others.

488
00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:23,710
And, uh, and I I want to get to kind of a,

489
00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:26,310
a national piece of news here, um,

490
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:31,110
but we do have to get a break in when
we come back. Uh, so if you, you know,

491
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:34,670
if you're, you're sticking with
us, uh, as a listener, do so,

492
00:30:34,670 --> 00:30:38,750
because when we come back, we wanna
talk about the indictment of, uh,

493
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:43,230
of President Trump. And I want
to get Danny's take on that, uh,

494
00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:46,430
because I think that comes into,
uh, the conversation that we,

495
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:51,030
we were just having about, uh, the way
the law should be universally applied.

496
00:30:51,290 --> 00:30:53,070
But we'll get to that after the break,

497
00:30:53,070 --> 00:30:57,270
as well as final thoughts and
how you can, uh, contact, uh, Mr.

498
00:30:57,270 --> 00:31:00,950
DeVito if you're interested in
getting with his campaign. Um,

499
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Thanks for staying with us
here on commonalities. I'm
your host, Matt Dowling.

557
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:53,540
My guest today is Danny DeVito. Uh,

558
00:34:53,540 --> 00:34:57,100
he is a candidate for Elk
County District Attorney.

559
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,580
And before we went to the break,

560
00:34:58,580 --> 00:35:03,420
we were talking about how the law
should be universally applied,

561
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,340
how we, you know, we really, uh,

562
00:35:07,340 --> 00:35:11,580
undermine our entire republic
whenever, uh, someone gets a,

563
00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:15,740
a deal that, uh, shows some
favoritism, but how that can also,

564
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:20,940
uh, turn into, uh, a, a witch
hunt when a district attorney is,

565
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:25,980
is looking for something to pin
on a certain individual, uh, and,

566
00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:30,700
and how that's really not the way, uh,
in our commonwealth or country that, uh,

567
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:34,100
that the law should be
applied. So, uh, Danny,

568
00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:38,200
I I said I was gonna ask you the question
about the indictment of President

569
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,560
Trump. I want to get your, uh,
feedback or, or your opinion on that,

570
00:35:42,660 --> 00:35:46,560
and I'm sure our listeners, uh, want
to hear about your opinion as well.

571
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:48,470
Well,

572
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:52,590
I made the statement when President Trump
was indicted that I thought this was a

573
00:35:52,590 --> 00:35:55,830
phony witch hunt. I think that
it's a political persecution,

574
00:35:56,370 --> 00:36:00,190
and I think my statement actually
said that I fear for the future of our

575
00:36:00,390 --> 00:36:02,990
republic. And that's not
an exaggeration. I mean,

576
00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:07,350
this is the first time in history that
a former president of the United States

577
00:36:07,570 --> 00:36:12,270
was criminally indicted. First of
all, the, the legal grounds, and I'll,

578
00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:15,230
I'll make the, the statement that I'm
not licensed in the state of New York.

579
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:19,630
I'm licensed in Pennsylvania. But
to me, the prosecutor, first of all,

580
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:22,670
it's a shaky legal theory
that's never been done before.

581
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:27,230
He's co-mingling federal and state
law. The statute of limitations,

582
00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:30,390
from my understanding,
has passed. And he's,

583
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:34,950
he's trying to enforce federal law with
something that the feds have already

584
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:39,070
rejected. You know, as an example, they're
saying, oh, it's a campaign expense.

585
00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:41,390
It's a phony business expense. Look,

586
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:45,390
if if I get a haircut or if
I take a shower, you know,

587
00:36:45,390 --> 00:36:48,390
because I don't wanna look bad
at a campaign event, you know,

588
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:50,310
do I have to report my water bill? I mean,

589
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:54,990
that's the absurdity that this can go
to. Th these charges were spun up by, uh,

590
00:36:54,990 --> 00:36:59,710
sorrow's funded district attorney who
was elected for the sole reason that they

591
00:36:59,710 --> 00:37:02,270
wanted to get President Trump. But to me,

592
00:37:02,270 --> 00:37:05,830
it's about more than just the kind of
legal deficiencies that I spelled out.

593
00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:06,510
You know,

594
00:37:06,510 --> 00:37:10,350
this is the political persecution and
the weaponization of our criminal justice

595
00:37:10,350 --> 00:37:12,030
system against political enemies.

596
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:15,230
That's not done in the United
States of America, but it is now.

597
00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:19,150
And I think President Trump said that
the Soviet Union would be proud of them

598
00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:22,790
for what they've done. And I
agree that this Alvin Bragg,

599
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:26,870
George Soros, uh, the entire, um,

600
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:31,350
kind of elite establishment of,
uh, the unit party, I call it,

601
00:37:32,070 --> 00:37:36,100
uh, they're going after their
political enemies and fir first of all,

602
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:37,180
in regards to my race,

603
00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:40,340
that's why you need someone
as the district attorney
that shareds your values,

604
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,340
not just in terms of who can do the job,

605
00:37:43,340 --> 00:37:48,130
but who shares my values and
will not turn the office into

606
00:37:48,130 --> 00:37:53,090
something that's gonna persecute, uh,
people for having conservative, uh,

607
00:37:53,090 --> 00:37:54,770
or patriotic ideals.

608
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:58,090
Because if they can go after the
45th president to the United States,

609
00:37:58,090 --> 00:38:01,410
they can go after you. They can go
after anybody, they can go after me.

610
00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:03,970
So historically,

611
00:38:03,970 --> 00:38:08,570
you do see that when somebody challenges
the political establishment to the

612
00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:12,660
extent that President Trump has,
you know, they do try to, uh,

613
00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:15,180
weaponize the system and
lock you up. You know,

614
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:19,740
you look at Jim Trafficking in Ohio,
there's several other examples, but this,

615
00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:21,780
this is beyond, um,

616
00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:26,860
what we can accept as a nation
and it's legally deficient.

617
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,420
But more than that,

618
00:38:28,570 --> 00:38:33,420
this is the shift from a constitutional
republic to a banana republic

619
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:35,840
if these charges are allowed to stand.

620
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,450
Absolutely. And, and, you know, I, I
was a supporter of President Trump.

621
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:46,370
I was on the ballot with him, uh,
during his first, uh, presidential run.

622
00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:51,130
Uh, and, and, and I allowed myself, uh,

623
00:38:51,130 --> 00:38:55,250
the time to see the actual
indictments and, uh,

624
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:58,490
to be able to read through
and, and kind of ruminate, uh,

625
00:38:58,490 --> 00:39:03,330
on what the charges were, uh, before
I made any kind of public opinion, or,

626
00:39:03,330 --> 00:39:07,690
or I discussed this, uh, uh,
on the radio or in the press.

627
00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:12,210
Um, but now that, uh, that they've kind
of shown their cards and, and now that,

628
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:16,930
uh, the indictment has been unsealed
and, and we see what's there, um,

629
00:39:16,930 --> 00:39:19,890
you know, I, I agree with
you completely that, uh,

630
00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:24,650
that the co-mingling between
federal and and state law, um,

631
00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:29,330
is, is probably a, a real stretch
of the imagination there. Um,

632
00:39:29,330 --> 00:39:31,050
and like you said, uh,

633
00:39:31,050 --> 00:39:35,770
this is something that is important
all the way down to our district races.

634
00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:39,610
Um, you know, that your
district attorney fits the, uh,

635
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,450
fits the constituents that, that you
serve and that you represent. Um,

636
00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:47,410
before we, we go, we have just a
couple minutes left in the program.

637
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,810
I wanted to, uh,

638
00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:52,130
see if you had any final thoughts that
you wanna share with our listeners,

639
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:56,490
and then also make sure that we got
your contact information out there.

640
00:39:56,860 --> 00:39:59,370
Uh, if someone wants to
donate to your campaign,

641
00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:02,330
if someone wants to help
with your campaign, uh,

642
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,730
even if someone listening is from
Elk County and wants a, a yard sign,

643
00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:11,090
uh, which, you know, by the way, I
always hate political yard signs.

644
00:40:11,090 --> 00:40:15,130
I think there's, uh, there's better
use of of political funds, uh,

645
00:40:15,130 --> 00:40:18,890
or campaign funds. But, you know,
if someone does want a yard sign,

646
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:22,490
how can they reach out to you and,
uh, and get ahold of your campaign?

647
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,170
Sure. Well, first of all,
I always tell people,

648
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,810
look at the way the county is
being run and managed right now.

649
00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:32,930
Are you happy with it in terms of how
we're dealing with the drug problem?

650
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:36,850
You know, do you feel that you can
reach out to your district attorney?

651
00:40:36,850 --> 00:40:39,250
Do you know him? If the answer is no,

652
00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:43,330
then you need to vote for Danny DeVito
because just pick up the paper. You know,

653
00:40:43,330 --> 00:40:47,250
cases are bund, uh, you know,
drug dealers run rampant.

654
00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:51,810
There's no accountability.
Meanwhile, good hardworking people,

655
00:40:52,090 --> 00:40:55,890
Americans have to suffer the
consequences and have to pay the costs,

656
00:40:55,890 --> 00:40:59,650
and taxpayers have to eat all
these costs for, you know,

657
00:40:59,650 --> 00:41:03,650
these people that just don't care about
anybody else in society. So, you know,

658
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:04,730
it's really a question of,

659
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:09,890
do you wanna see Elk County
restored to, you know,

660
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:12,050
what your grandparents, uh, gave you,

661
00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:14,810
or are you fine with the
way things are going?

662
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:17,530
I think most people are
very unhappy and, uh,

663
00:41:17,530 --> 00:41:21,690
they're ready to vote for Danny
DeVito. Uh, as far as the yard signs,

664
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,890
I've heard, uh, your opinion before,
but I think our yard signs, uh,

665
00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:27,010
look pretty good. You know,

666
00:41:27,010 --> 00:41:29,890
some people have said it's actually the
best looking yard sign that they've ever

667
00:41:29,890 --> 00:41:32,770
seen, so hopefully they'll get
some traction and attention.

668
00:41:32,770 --> 00:41:36,000
But if people want one or if
they wanna talk with me directly,

669
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,920
I'm always happy to call somebody if they
have a question about my campaign and

670
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,840
we can talk directly, they
can go to DeVito four da.com.

671
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:47,960
I believe right now it's
redirecting to our social media,

672
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,840
and they can send us a
message on there. Uh, if not,

673
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,040
they can find me on Facebook. Uh,

674
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,280
I have a personal account and a campaign
account, they can email DeVito for da.

675
00:41:58,150 --> 00:42:01,220
Uh, that information is on
there as well. So, you know,

676
00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:03,820
always happy to talk to
people directly and, you know,

677
00:42:03,820 --> 00:42:07,540
we can have a conversation. They can
hear your thoughts, uh, or we can, uh,

678
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,980
you know, obviously always
willing to expect, um,

679
00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:11,980
accept support for our campaign.

680
00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:16,580
Absolutely. And I want to thank you for
making the time to talk with us today.

681
00:42:16,580 --> 00:42:21,220
I, I truly enjoyed, uh, our
conversation about, uh, about the law.

682
00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:24,300
I think that, uh, you know, sometimes it,

683
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:28,060
it's something that's not
discussed, uh, enough. And,

684
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,020
and I'd love to have you on again
to kind of delve deeper on, uh,

685
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:36,020
on Pennsylvania line some of the
relevant issues, uh, in the future.

686
00:42:36,070 --> 00:42:39,340
So thanks so much for being
on with us here today. Uh,

687
00:42:39,340 --> 00:42:40,980
Danny and thank you everyone for.

688
00:42:40,980 --> 00:42:44,140
Tuning in. This has been Commonalities,

689
00:42:44,410 --> 00:42:48,620
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ground through uncommon conversations.

690
00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:51,340
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691
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,300
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692
00:42:55,300 --> 00:43:00,220
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693
00:43:00,220 --> 00:43:02,620
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