Episode 16 – Commodity Markets with Noah Healy – Transcript

18Jan, 2023
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Starting now.

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And now your host, Matthew Dowling,

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and today's guests on commonalities.

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Hey, thank you for joining us today
on commonalities. I'm your host,

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Matt Dowling, alongside
today's guest, Noah Healy.

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He's a professional algorithm
de developer and a recreational

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mathematician. And if you're like me,

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you're probably wondering what is
a recreational mathematician and,

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and what do they do? Uh,

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but he's quickly become an expert
on game theory and designing

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marketplaces, uh,
building on breakthrough,

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merging physics and mathematics.
In the 20th century,

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he's developed and, uh,

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has a patent pending on a
system to supersede commodity

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markets. Now, a lot of
this may be over our, uh,

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our viewers' heads, but
we'll make sure that we, uh,

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we keep our conversations today to, uh,

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to a point to where everyone
can understand. And if you
know you have questions,

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you can visit my website
commonalities.online. We'll put,

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uh, the answers to any of the
questions that you have up there.

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Following today's interview,
Noah, thank you so much for, uh,

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taking the time to join
me and my guest today. Uh,

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why don't you go ahead and do a little
bit of a self introduction for, uh,

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those that don't know you.

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Well. Sure, Matthew, and thanks for
having me here. Uh, you hit the,

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you hit the high points in, in
your introduction, um, but, uh,

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answer sort of your, your
first question there.

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Recreational mathematics is just
mathematics that you do for fun.

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Um, it's, uh,

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it's a pursuit that's
existed for millennia. Uh,

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there's a great deal of
intellectual satisfaction to be

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had in puzzle solving and so on.

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And what this does is simply
transfers the puzzles from

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trying to work out, uh,

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a preset thing that another person
came up with to puzzles that are

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evident in the very structure of reason

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itself.

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Sure. So, uh, you know, I, I don't
want to jump too far ahead, but, uh,

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I was very interested in reading about
you that you have come up with kind

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of an out of the box idea, uh,

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a method that is patent pending that's
going to supersede commodity market.

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So maybe we should start by
discussing what commodity markets are,

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and then let's talk about
your method and, uh,

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and how it supersedes the commodity,
commodity markets as a whole.

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Okay. Uh, well, commodities are
products of uniform quality.

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Uh, and so they're sort of
like McDonald's hamburgers, um,

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crate loads of steel,
uh, truckloads of corn,

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things like that have
been commodified. Um,

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milk, you go into the grocery store, 2%
milk is 2% milk, pretty much even flour,

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sugar, all the way, things
like that. Precisely. Yeah. Um,

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and also things like lumber.
Um, yes, specific, you know,

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when you're, when you're pulling
'em off, off the rack in the yard,

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you want check for twist
and stuff like that.

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But if you're buying in bulk,

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you buy in board feet and you
just get what you get. Um,

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so by creating these things that
are basically all the same as one

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another,

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we get the efficiencies that allow
our sort of modern economy to

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function,

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because otherwise you'd have
to be personally cognizant

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of every single sugar farmer on
earth to figure out whether you like

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this guy's sugar or that guy's sugar.

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And you'd never be able to
make a factory that, you know,

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cranks out Coca-Cola or buy a bag

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to make cookies for, you know,
Christmas or whatever. Um,

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so this commodification
simplifies the task

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for both producers because they
no longer have to go through the

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work of creating a specific brand
that they then have to market

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against the backdrop of many other
people that are all trying to

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produce what is more or less
exactly the same thing, um,

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but also simplify things for consumers
because they don't need to investigate

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the sort of past history of
where this particular hunk of

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steel or this particular
bag of flour comes from,

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because it's a bag of flour and it's part
of the system that's just guaranteeing

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a, a quality level there. Uh,

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and what that enables is these very
efficient marketplaces where people are

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buying and selling copies of
more or less the same thing,

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but from many different sources
and to many different destinations,

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and that those sorts of markets
have been in use for centuries Now,

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um, where,

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where I step in is that computers

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basically have been giving the
people operating these markets

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and operating within these markets
as middlemen more of a boost

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than they've been giving
those, those edge users, the,

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the producers on the one hand,

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and the consumers who are typically
companies that we would actually interact

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with as consumers ourselves. Um,

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and so what that has ha caused is
that these markets are becoming less

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stable and more expensive. Um,

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and we can see some of
the instability in supply

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chain disruptions, uh,

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in how inflation is moving
into food pricing and so on.

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Um,

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and what my system does is, uh,

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creates a new role, uh,

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within the marketplace
for information and,

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and effectively fixes the cost
of information to the whole

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marketplace, um,

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by being able to adjust the
rate of return. So right now,

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if you know stuff that
other people don't know,

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you can trade in ways
that will give you, uh,

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a good rate of return
in the marketplace. Uh,

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and so your goal is to trade as much
as possible on a fairly low rate of

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return to get as much money as you can.

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What my system does is
raises the rate of return,

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but fixes the total amount
of advantage that can

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be gained.

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And so what happens is the
incentive shifts from trying

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to get as much deal flow and
noise into the market as possible

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as trying to communicate what
you know as clearly, succinctly,

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and quickly as possible so that
you get to secure the advantage

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over other parties.

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Sure. So, you know, we just, uh, ended
the holiday season, or we're still, uh,

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kind of celebrating the holidays. And
in my area, there are a number of,

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um, of women or individuals,
people, regardless of,

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of gender that, uh,

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that bake Christmas cookies and
sell those Christmas cookies to, uh,

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other families or individuals
around the holiday time.

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One of the things that we saw this year
was that those individuals that, uh,

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kind of count on that extra money at the
holiday season in the middle of winter,

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uh,

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by selling those cookies were kind of
almost forced out of their own marketplace

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because they use
commodities like sugar, um,

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flour, nuts, or something that
have become extremely expensive,

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um, in the baking that they
do. So how would your system,

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um, solve any of the problems that
those individuals are dealing with,

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uh, because commodity
prices have have risen, uh,

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especially since the pandemic. Um,

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would your system make things
less expensive or adjust,

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uh, the pricing, uh, any, any more than
the commodities market system that,

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that we have in place now?

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So what my system would do
is reduce the overhead costs,

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and those are multifarious.
So for example,

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one of the most overhead
costed commodities in the
world for several decades

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was aluminum, um,

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where people had figured
out this way to effectively

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hold up the entire aluminum
market behind a, a rule.

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Um,

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that meant that if you actually wanted
the aluminum that you'd bought delivered

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to you, then you had to pay, I
believe it was an extra 21%. Um,

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so if you're one of these women that's
getting Christmas cookies and wrapping

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them up in aluminum
foil over the last, uh,

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couple decades, um,

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something like 25% of the money that
you spent on aluminum was going to

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these middlemen, um, that were
just brokering the deal between,

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uh, aluminum miners and,

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and the manufacturers of the, the
sheet metal that you were buying. Um,

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in other industries,

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we see things that are not
really as extreme as that,

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but overhead costs are still close to,

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uh, or a large fraction
of production costs.

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And so what my system would do by
reducing these overhead costs is it would

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make production much more attractive,

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and by then drawing more
people into the farming space,

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supply would increase, and those,
those costs would come down.

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Um, the other shift that it,

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it should enable is
regularization of price. Um,

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one of the things I myself, uh, make
fruitcake during the holiday season,

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um, as many as 40 pounds some years, uh,

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eggs went from about 9 cents
a piece in my local markets.

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Um, that was,

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that was in late November to 25
cents a piece by mid-December.

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Um, and there's more than one
egg per pound of fruitcake.

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So that's, uh, that's a
pretty significant shift, um,

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in sort of the total cost
per pound of fruitcake, uh,

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when you're talking about a nearly
three xing of just that price.

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Sure. So, uh, you know, Noah, we
have to get to our first break.

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uh, move from talking about, uh,

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commodity markets to game theory,

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There's nothing quite like the feeling
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those fall Friday nights under the
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we have to plan for the future.
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but there's still more to do. So, I Bill
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Thanks for staying with us
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your host, Matt Dowling,

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alongside Noah Healy,

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a professional algorithm developer
and recreational mathematician.

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That means he does what
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mathematics just for fun, and, uh,

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and he's an expert in his field. Before
we went to the break, we mentioned,

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uh, uh, something called game theory,

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and I wanna talk a little bit
about game theory and, uh,

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allow Noah to explain to us
how he practices mathematics in

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relation to game theory.

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Uh, well, sure. Game theory is
the mathematics of strategy,

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and in particular,

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how a system evolves and how decision
making evolves when there's more

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than one decision maker, uh,

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which of course is normally
how things work out.

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Usually there's more than one person
that's that that has interests,

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and so merely trying to do
what you want to do isn't,

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isn't gonna work out that well. Um, in,

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in sort of board games, uh,
like chess or tic-tac toe,

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one of the first lessons
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wishful strategies aren't
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if you make a move hoping
that your opponent won't see
what you're trying to do,

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so that you can win, um, in
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that might work out for you. But as,

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as you and your opponents
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they're likely to see
what you're trying to do.

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And so making moves that depend
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less desirable as moves. Um,

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where game theory really shines is that,

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uh,

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virtually everything can be
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an interested decision maker.

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And so other kinds of problems like

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how to carry out computations,
how to carry out communications,

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how to carry out calculations, uh,

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how to do physics can be
done considering nature

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as a player in the game, or, uh,

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considering the network as a player in
the game that has interest that it's

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attempting to, to carry out.

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And then you are doing other things
to try to get what you want out

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of this system that's trying to get
what it wants. Um, and for markets,

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this is particularly important because
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there are three key

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factors that each person has
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um, there's the good or service that's
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but then there's information,

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information about what pricing levels are

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of value to yourself and others.

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And right now,

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we only address that third part
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Um, existing markets basically require
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So many in fact,

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that some people are merely buying
and selling and don't actually

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make or use the thing
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but with game theory,

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we can come up with an interest
for those informed parties,

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which include the, the
makers, include the users,

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but also include independent
experts that that research and study

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and, and keep up with, you know,
the news and trends and so on.

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Um, and allow basically the entire

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interested community in
the market to merge their

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information together into a supermind, uh,

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that can then be used and
accessed by every individual

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within the market. So it's not just
you out there making some cookies,

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it's a sort of

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virtual corporation of
everyone and what they want

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trying to find the best level
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So what I'm kind of picking up
from our conversation is the,

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the crux of what we're getting at is
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selling and not producing it all, um,

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those are the people that are
trading in the commodities market.

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Those are the middle men,
those are the people that, um,

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are driving costs up. So
correct me if I'm wrong,

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in the system that you're proposing,

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we would kind of be eliminating
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or making them less
relevant. Is that correct?

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It's not exactly that. So they
have existed for centuries.

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What's causing them to drive
costs up today is that technology

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has enabled them to do
their jobs better without

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simultaneously increasing the
competitive forces that would

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keep them sort of in their lane.

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So what I'm doing is
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they basically have their
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and they can go out there
and just play the game among

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themselves.

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And so rather than having a situation

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where you've got sort of Olympic athletes
competing with children and winning

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by larger and larger margins, um,

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the Olympic athletes have to
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And while it's still very relevant,

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what they're doing is important
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it's no longer the case that they
can sort of bully people who are not

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at their level. Um,

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instead they have to provide
the actual service that they're,

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they're supposed to provide
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which is this information
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which is what's valuable about the market.

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So, you know, if, if I am
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the Pennsylvanian that, uh, that goes
to work for eight hours a day and,

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and comes home and is raising children,

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why would a topic like this interest me?

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Or why should it be important
to me? You know, what kind of,

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what is the relevance in daily life
to, uh, to considering things this way?

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So market costs are a,

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a drag on economic output
of the country. And,

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um, for the last number that
I've got from the US government,

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commodity market overheads, uh, are just,

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we're just shy of 800 billion a year,

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and that was eight years ago. Um,

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if you think about the actual
growth rate of the economy,

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um, the, the sort of smeared out average
over the last 30 years, you know,

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whether we're in a recession,
whether or not we're in a recession,

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that's sort of irrelevant
for decades. Actually,

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for the last 50 years, we've been
growing at around 2% a year. Um,

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which means that the growth rate
of the entire economy is in the

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four to 500 billion a year range.

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If that cost of 800 billion,

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which is almost certainly significantly
higher now with inflation and even more

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technology, uh, were to
be reduced by even 50%,

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that would go directly onto the

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lifestyles of individual,
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regular nine to five Americans. So a,

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you could see 25 to 40% increases

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in farm, uh, uh, profits,
for example. Um, so a,

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a middle class family could become an
upper class family just overnight from

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things like this. And then that ripples
through the rest of the community as,

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as suddenly that becomes a
better employment option,

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or the increased wealth
leads to other types of,

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of investments that then
feed back into the system. So

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the,

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the success and adoption
of this technology could

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double the rate at which the
economy grows in a fashion

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which directly impacts working
in middle class families.

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And that would,

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that would shift the trajectory
of wealth creation in this

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country and really around the
world in a fundamental way. For,

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you know, the last market
system lasted for 800 years. Uh,

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so for centuries to come, the,

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the potential upsides here are difficult

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to wrap your, your head around. Um,

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I can't really even fully conceive
of how much advantage is to

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be gained from squeezing
hundreds of billions of dollars

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in cost out of the system every year,

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and being able to put that
into people's pockets and,

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and into their lifestyles.

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So we have to get one more break in
when we come back from the break. I,

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I wanna discuss, um,

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the implementation process
or what conversations

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need to take place, um,
to take advantage of,

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of some of the ways that you're
talking about squeezing, uh,

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extra money out of the system.

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A girl and a guy named Slip and
Sly, we're sitting in the kitchen.

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Megan Rhubarb Pie was a hot
commodity, a hot commodity.

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The rhubarb pie was a.

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Hot commodity. Thanks for staying
with us. My guest today is Noah Healy,

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a professional algorithm developer
and a recreational mathematician.

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We're talking finances today,

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and we're talking about
the commodities market,

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as well as a new method that
NOAA is proposing that would

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actually squeeze some
additional revenue, uh,

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out of the system and would give, uh,

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more money to the individuals who
are producing goods to put back

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into the market. So I wanna talk
Noah, about practical application.

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I served for six years in the
Pennsylvania State House and, uh,

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voted annually on a budget that
was 38 plus billion dollars,

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um,

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not including some of the federal money
that comes into the Commonwealth to be

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spent, but we didn't even, uh,

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have conversations like this
where we're talking about ways to

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improve the market system
As we were discussing, um,

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the state's annual budget, of course,

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we talked about taxation and making
things friendlier for the business

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community, uh, so that businesses would
want to, to come here to Pennsylvania.

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But how, uh,

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likely is the implementation
of your proposal, uh,

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to happen and what conversations need to
happen at the state or federal levels,

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uh, for a shift like this to
really come into fruition?

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Uh, well, so some of the conversations
are happening around the patent office.

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Um, the patent system has,
is really in a state of,

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of chaos at the moment, um,

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due to some litigation
outstanding and also decades

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of difficulty in coping with
the very divergent needs of

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kind of big tech and big pharma, uh,

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that have more or less opposite it
strategies from one another and are

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both of great significance
to, to the economy. Um,

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so I,

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I might be the first person in American
history to have had my patent accepted

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and then had that acceptance
withdrawn by internal departments

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within the patent office, um, twice. Um,

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happening once is rare. Um,

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reinstating after one is rarer still. Um,

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00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:47,360
but, uh,

469
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,000
but having it withdrawn the second time
is something that no one I've ever spoke

470
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,680
to has ever heard of. Um, that process
is now going to a court for appeal.

471
00:31:56,130 --> 00:31:58,840
Uh, we'll see where that goes. Um,

472
00:31:59,390 --> 00:32:02,960
I am working with a handful of people
around the world who are attempting to

473
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,520
stand up marketplaces that
incorporate this technology. Um,

474
00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:11,880
one of the explicit design concepts, uh,

475
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,800
was that governments would in
fact be able to implement markets

476
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,920
like this for the benefit
of their, their, uh,

477
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,960
economies if they wanted to. Uh,

478
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,560
the American governments at the state
and federal level are extremely reluctant

479
00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:30,800
to do things like that.

480
00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:35,560
So I have not had conversations
like that with any,

481
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:39,800
uh, uh, federal or state level person. Um,

482
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:45,270
conversations like this are important
because one of the other, uh,

483
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:50,070
barriers is that I am the first
person since the Renaissance to

484
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:54,990
propose a system which is
algorithmically superior to the market

485
00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:56,750
system that is in place.

486
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,150
So most people are not even
aware that it's possible for

487
00:33:02,150 --> 00:33:06,990
markets to have the kinds of flaws
I'm talking about or for improvements

488
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:09,990
like the kinds of improvements
I'm talking about to be made.

489
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,390
So education at state or
federal levels on that front

490
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,630
is something that I am, I am working
towards improving and trying to get,

491
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,550
uh, awareness out for. Um, but yeah,

492
00:33:25,550 --> 00:33:26,383
Pennsylvania,

493
00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:30,830
like most states in the
United States has a robust

494
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:35,790
agriculture sector, uh, and an
extensive extractive sector, uh,

495
00:33:35,790 --> 00:33:40,150
with iron coal and other commodity product

496
00:33:40,270 --> 00:33:44,550
being significant parts of
the state's value chain.

497
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,230
Um, and so yeah,

498
00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:52,190
it'd be perfectly possible for a state
like Philadelphia or Pennsylvania,

499
00:33:52,190 --> 00:33:55,430
sorry, to set up, uh, uh,

500
00:33:55,780 --> 00:33:59,670
a pilot commodity marketplace, um,

501
00:33:59,870 --> 00:34:04,630
with this technology, um, and, and offer,

502
00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:08,710
its, its state producers, uh,

503
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:13,150
what it amounts to a
collective bargaining position

504
00:34:13,540 --> 00:34:16,190
that would allow these small,

505
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:20,950
independent producers to
stand on the same level as

506
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:24,270
much larger, uh, you know, conglomerate,

507
00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:28,750
agribusiness type things could,
could normally operate on. Um,

508
00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:34,560
that's generally more interesting to, uh,

509
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,560
developing countries.
And so, uh, the, that's,

510
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,520
that's more of the focus right now of
the people that are interested in trying

511
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,280
to pick the technology up. But I'm,

512
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,080
I'm open to every train leaving the
station because everything's headed to the

513
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,000
same destination. Uh,

514
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:56,080
and the markets we have
have been failing for

515
00:34:56,830 --> 00:35:00,480
really almost my entire
lifetime. Um, and the,

516
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,920
the problems are getting
worse and more obvious,

517
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,840
and we'll keep doing so
because they aren't the result

518
00:35:08,890 --> 00:35:12,200
of, of human malfeasance. Um,

519
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,960
they're the result of
technological capability,

520
00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:18,960
and we are not going to, you know,

521
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,280
collectively throw our cell phones away.

522
00:35:21,930 --> 00:35:25,680
So we're gonna keep
having that capacity, uh,

523
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,680
and that's gonna keep
degrading the markets we have.

524
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:35,780
Well, you know, first, don't, uh,

525
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:39,800
don't feel bad about trying to make
Philadelphia its own state here within the

526
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,800
Commonwealth as we address problems.
Uh, one of the things that we, we,

527
00:35:44,050 --> 00:35:46,360
we see a lot is that, uh,

528
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,200
Philadelphia is unlike the rest of
the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania in

529
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,960
many ways, and has some unique
challenges and also unique opportunities.

530
00:35:56,610 --> 00:35:59,080
Um, but that being said, you know,

531
00:35:59,260 --> 00:36:03,280
the method that you're proposing and what
you're talking about makes production

532
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,920
more profitable and increases
the economic potential for

533
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,120
everyone involved. So, you
know, where is the downside?

534
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Who are the people that would
fight a proposal like this? Um,

535
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,400
who would it inconvenience? Who
would not wanna see this happen?

536
00:36:22,090 --> 00:36:24,000
Uh, well, you know,

537
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,560
everybody's conservative about
the thing that they know best. Uh,

538
00:36:27,730 --> 00:36:31,840
so people who are highly successful
within the existing system are highly

539
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,480
resistant to the notion
that it is a problem. Um,

540
00:36:35,830 --> 00:36:37,480
this is a,

541
00:36:37,590 --> 00:36:42,120
a sort of psychological block that
I deal with when I talk to traders.

542
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:47,120
They can't see that their
incomes actually come from

543
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,600
other people's costs. They just think, oh,

544
00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:54,720
I'm trading into this abstract market
of traders. I'm good at my job,

545
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,560
and so I make money.
It's good to make money.

546
00:36:57,910 --> 00:37:02,200
It's good for people to be good at
my job, therefore everything's fine.

547
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:07,520
Um, but service provision
is a tricky business because

548
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:12,680
part of the value of a
service is its cost. Um,

549
00:37:13,570 --> 00:37:17,800
if, if you break your arm and go
to the doctor and get it reset,

550
00:37:18,510 --> 00:37:21,840
that's, that's great. You know, you're
gonna keep having the use of your arm,

551
00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:24,760
but if you get that for a hundred dollars,

552
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:28,440
it's better than if you get
it for a million dollars, um,

553
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,880
because it's the same service either way,
and it's cheaper at a hundred dollars.

554
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:37,160
And so if a service can be
provided for less actual money,

555
00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:41,000
it's more valuable. But people
that are providing that service,

556
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:44,880
they can't always get there. Um,

557
00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:49,240
the other big shift this does is by

558
00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:53,800
essentially batching up all
production, all consumption,

559
00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:58,620
and all information into
these marketplaces where

560
00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:01,740
people are competing with one another. Um,

561
00:38:02,330 --> 00:38:07,260
that shifts the hedging risk
structure because now the

562
00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:08,420
batches are,

563
00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:12,420
are much more intrinsically edged
because they're much more intrinsically

564
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:16,500
diversified than existing
markets can offer. Um,

565
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:21,020
and there are very
successful companies that

566
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,140
effectively do nothing but
ensure these hedging risks.

567
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:30,540
And so a marketplace that structurally
eliminates that structurally eliminates

568
00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:31,580
the need for those companies.

569
00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:36,200
So they would have a direct interest
in resisting this kind of technology.

570
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,750
So we're getting back down to about the
last two minutes of our program today,

571
00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:49,870
and I want to let you, uh, interject
any closing thoughts you have.

572
00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:50,950
But before you do that,

573
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,830
if someone wanted to learn more
about anything we've discussed today,

574
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,710
uh, what are some resources? I,

575
00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:02,270
I know with the internet there are
a lot of resources out there, um,

576
00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:03,470
on the worldwide web.

577
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:07,910
Where could someone find more
information about commodity markets

578
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:10,630
and, uh, about the system that, uh,

579
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:12,510
that you currently have
a patent pending for?

580
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,630
Uh, well, I have a website@corddisk.com,

581
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:20,350
C O O R D I S C, uh, for
coordinated discovery.

582
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:22,590
You can learn more about
my system there. Uh,

583
00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:25,630
you can reach out to me personally,
uh, either through LinkedIn,

584
00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:30,270
I'm Noah Healy there, or Noah
p healy yahoo.com is my email.

585
00:39:30,270 --> 00:39:34,350
I'm happy to answer questions, um, for
learning more about commodity markets.

586
00:39:35,090 --> 00:39:37,030
Wikipedia's article is actually fine,

587
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:40,070
and you can start working your
way through, you know, the,

588
00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:44,910
the bibliography there for
other things, or in fact, uh,

589
00:39:44,910 --> 00:39:49,110
if you're fine with eighties
rated r comedies, trading Places,

590
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,370
um,

591
00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:55,230
has several fantastic scenes
where they explain as if to

592
00:39:55,230 --> 00:39:59,230
a child how commodity
markets work and, um,

593
00:39:59,890 --> 00:40:04,630
the, the World Trade Center, or this
was after the World Trade Center,

594
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:09,870
actually the after nine 11, the,
the reconstructed building, um,

595
00:40:10,350 --> 00:40:12,910
actually did a, uh,

596
00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:18,120
like documentary short with Dan Akroyd,

597
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:21,520
I think about 10 years ago, um,

598
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:26,470
where they, they were talking about
how things are done these days,

599
00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:28,310
and the fact that trading places

600
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,230
it couldn't happen in the same
way because the pits are gone.

601
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:34,270
It's all computers now,

602
00:40:34,450 --> 00:40:38,190
but the actual mechanisms of
trade haven't changed at all.

603
00:40:38,190 --> 00:40:43,040
We're just using computers
to do the trades at a a

604
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,600
million times greater speed, uh,

605
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,360
than than we used to do when
we were shouting at each other.

606
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:53,360
That is actually a, a, a great movie.
I just watched Trading Places, uh,

607
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,560
this past year, uh, founded on a streaming
service, so I know it's out there.

608
00:40:58,170 --> 00:41:01,960
Um, and it does really give
some good insight into,

609
00:41:02,310 --> 00:41:05,600
into the Commod commodities
market. Hey, uh,

610
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,840
my guest today has been Noah Healy,

611
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:12,520
a professional algorithm developer
and recreational mathematician.

612
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:16,560
Noah, we have about 30 seconds
left. Final thoughts for the day?

613
00:41:18,570 --> 00:41:22,210
Um, I,

614
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:27,130
I I outta words, uh, happy
New Year, everybody. Uh,

615
00:41:27,350 --> 00:41:29,410
and, um, you know, let's,

616
00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:34,400
let's hope we can start fixing up these
systems that computers are breaking

617
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,160
down, uh, in the new Year.

618
00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:39,780
Yeah. And that's gonna become
even more important I think,

619
00:41:39,830 --> 00:41:44,460
as we move forward and as technology
continues to play an even greater

620
00:41:44,570 --> 00:41:48,700
role in our daily lives. Noah, thank
you so much for being with me today.

621
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:50,180
It has been, uh, a.

622
00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:52,500
Pleasure. This has been commonalities,

623
00:41:52,810 --> 00:41:57,060
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ground through uncommon conversations.

624
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:59,900
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625
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,660
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626
00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:08,460
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627
00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:10,780
Thank you for listening to commonalities.

628
00:42:17,060 --> 00:42:19,940
Hello Uniontown Mayor, bill Gerkey here.

629
00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:24,100
There's nothing quite like the feeling
of home, that sense of belonging,

630
00:42:24,220 --> 00:42:28,260
those fall Friday nights under the
lights, those winter nights in the gym,

631
00:42:28,540 --> 00:42:32,740
watching our red Raiders, those refreshing
spring afternoons at Bailey Park,

632
00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:35,740
rooting on our Red Raider,
softball and baseball teams.

633
00:42:36,730 --> 00:42:40,580
I am grateful for those memories and
hope our community's children and

634
00:42:40,580 --> 00:42:43,980
grandchildren can enjoy those
memories too. But to do that,

635
00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:48,060
we have to plan for the future.
During my first term in office,

636
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:51,380
the city has got Bailey Park back
to a place where we can be proud of.

637
00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:55,700
Begun our city's first
comprehensive plan in over 20 years.

638
00:42:56,430 --> 00:42:59,460
Started work on the city's
section of the Sheep Skin Trail,

639
00:43:00,170 --> 00:43:04,340
worked on eliminating blighted
properties and are rebuilding the city's

640
00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:08,220
neighborhoods. We've updated the faulty
equipment in the parking garages,

641
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,860
and we're bringing a more
competitive, reliable, faster,

642
00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:15,140
and less expensive internet
service to our city residents.

643
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:20,740
We have done a lot, but there's
still more to do. So I Bill Gerkey.

644
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:25,580
I'm running for a second term. We're
Uniontown proud. We're Uniontown strong,

645
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,620
and together we can continue to rebuild
Uniontown for the next generation.

646
00:43:32,730 --> 00:43:34,260
Paid for by Mayor Bill.

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