Commonalities – Episode 3 Transcript

22Nov, 2022

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matthew_dowling: starting this

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matthew_dowling: thank you for joining us once again
on commonalities on matt dalling alongside a former

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matthew_dowling: colleague of mine in the pensylvania hall
a good conservative as they say representative mike

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matthew_dowling: jones mike thank you so much for
being with us today you know i want

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matthew_dowling: to allow you a moment or two
to get you credentials out there and as

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matthew_dowling: you do that i know you were
very involved with with business and in the

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matthew_dowling: supply chain running a corporate ation and
then you made a transition to politics so

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matthew_dowling: why don’t you give us a little
bit of your background and tell us who

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matthew_dowling: represented mike jones is

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rep__mike_jones: well thank you mat i really appreciate
you having me congratulations on the new show

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rep__mike_jones: i’m honored to be one of your
first guests here yeah so like jones in

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rep__mike_jones: york county kind of my district falls
just south of the city of york down

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rep__mike_jones: to the mason dixon line so we

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rep__mike_jones: district borders in maryland just finishing up
my second term and it was just elected

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rep__mike_jones: to a third two year term in
the state legislature so and to your point

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rep__mike_jones: prior to that i was really never
involved in politics in any significant way been

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rep__mike_jones: a lifelong republican of course and voted
in and such

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rep__mike_jones: but it was really busy running a
great company here in york called saint ange

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rep__mike_jones: company um as president of that firm
for about eleven years worked there for over

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rep__mike_jones: twenty when i left that was about
a hundred and

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rep__mike_jones: twenty person organization and

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rep__mike_jones: one of the things in addition to
being a great company and

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rep__mike_jones: of itself we

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rep__mike_jones: consulted to your point on supply chain
issues so we designed distribution and manufacturing facilities

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rep__mike_jones: and help companies figure out how many
of

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rep__mike_jones: those facilities they should have and where
they should

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rep__mike_jones: be located for many of the nation
and really the world’s largest corporations

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rep__mike_jones: um so i was really blessed to
travel the country did a decent amount of

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rep__mike_jones: international travel as well and really gained
an appreciation um for the greatness of american

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rep__mike_jones: business and the great positive impact that
it has not only in our country as

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rep__mike_jones: far as creating jobs and tax revenue
and so forth but really around the world

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rep__mike_jones: and the quality of life that that
american corporations and capitalism in general provide so

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rep__mike_jones: i’m a staunch capitalist it’s kind of
like america america is not perfect but there’s

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rep__mike_jones: no close second in capital ism is
not a perfect system but sure beats the

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rep__mike_jones: heck out of socialism so

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rep__mike_jones: ve been honored now to transition to
politics try to bring a little bit of

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rep__mike_jones: that business experience and to the table

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matthew_dowling: you know and i think we’re in
a time frame where people are looking for

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matthew_dowling: someone who knows how to run a
business you know i myself small business owner

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matthew_dowling: before going into politics they want people
that have signed the front of a pay

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matthew_dowling: check not just the back of a
pay check um and you know i think

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matthew_dowling: you and i both agreed while i
was in the legislature and serving it you

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matthew_dowling: that government needed to live more within
its means and that’s something that we have

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matthew_dowling: to make our businesses do but we
don’t always see government do that

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rep__mike_jones: no you’re exactly correct and unfortunately that’s
one reason i’ve voted against every budget since

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rep__mike_jones: i’ve been in the legislature um

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rep__mike_jones: it’s you know as you know there’s
a lot to like and dislike in most

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rep__mike_jones: any budget but no the recurring thing
that i found to dislike is

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rep__mike_jones: the amount of spending and i would
love to see us get the tax payer

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rep__mike_jones: protection act passed which would limit spending
other than an emergency situations where we could

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rep__mike_jones: with the two thirds majority we could
override it but that

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rep__mike_jones: if passed it would be a constitutional
limit that says as you know that spending

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rep__mike_jones: could not exceed the combination of inflation
and population growth so yeah i’ve i’ve been

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rep__mike_jones: disappointed really on both sides of the
isle there’s just it seems to be a

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rep__mike_jones: never ending appetite to spend people’s

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rep__mike_jones: money and as a result you know
our state has is growing literally growing older

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rep__mike_jones: smaller and poorer by the day and
the only demographic that’s growing is the over

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rep__mike_jones: eighty five

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rep__mike_jones: emographic um we just lost another us
congressional seat as you know with it we

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rep__mike_jones: lost another electoral vote um so it’s
a major problem we should be an economic

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rep__mike_jones: power house uh and instead with excessive
tax and regulation

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rep__mike_jones: and spending we’re going the wrong direction

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matthew_dowling: yeah and so you know mike as
as you well know and as as our

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matthew_dowling: listeners have learned within the last week
or so that this show is about talking

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matthew_dowling: about opposing views and you know normally
we would have a democrat and a republican

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matthew_dowling: or an independent and a democrat or
so forth but we have kind of an

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matthew_dowling: interesting case with you and after get
our first break in i want to talk

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matthew_dowling: a little bit more about this you
were kind of an outsider within the party

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matthew_dowling: and i leaned your way a good
bit i was in the top ten most

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matthew_dowling: conservative ten percent of conservative members of
the house i know you you beat me

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matthew_dowling: by a couple of points there but
you know you were an outsider within your

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matthew_dowling: own party and i think that’s something
that we really want

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matthew_dowling: to to discuss today because i think
people at home think that you know within

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matthew_dowling: a part that we hold hands and
sing on by and as you know and

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matthew_dowling: as you’ve experienced that’s not necessarily what
happens sometimes the

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matthew_dowling: disa man’s within a political party can
be just as severe if not more severe

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matthew_dowling: than they are between

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matthew_dowling: both sides of the isle so we
do have to get a quick break in

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matthew_dowling: refers of jones and then we’ll come
back and we’ll talk a little bit about

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matthew_dowling: being an outsider within your own party

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rep__mike_jones: yeah oh

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rep__mike_jones: ah oh

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matthew_dowling: yeah i

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matthew_dowling: yeah yeah oh oh oh yeah

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matthew_dowling: well thanks for sticking with us on
commonalities here on m b s five nine

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matthew_dowling: a m one o one on one
f m in any place you download your

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matthew_dowling: favorite podcasts i met dawling along side
my former colleague representative mike jones from your

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matthew_dowling: serving the south central part of that
county there and before we went to break

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matthew_dowling: mike i started to allude to the
fact that you were kind of an outsider

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matthew_dowling: within the party so why don’t you
explain to the viewers and the listeners what

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matthew_dowling: that means

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rep__mike_jones: yeah so i kind of ran on
the premise where we were talking about my

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rep__mike_jones: business background a little bit before the
break and so i ran on the premise

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rep__mike_jones: that i was you know business guy
who was not a career politician and you

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rep__mike_jones: did not sort of need the job
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matthew_dowling: m oh

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rep__mike_jones: and i guess i guess i kind
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rep__mike_jones: but in

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rep__mike_jones: any event what happened in my case
was it really matt ties back to the

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rep__mike_jones: lock downs and you know and you
and i and most everyone in our party

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rep__mike_jones: agreed that the governor really exploited his
um i’ll call it executive privilege with the

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rep__mike_jones: his emergency powers and in shutting down
businesses and we

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rep__mike_jones: saw schools shut down and so forth
and a couple of months into that it

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rep__mike_jones: became apparent to guys like you and
myself that there was really these were just

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rep__mike_jones: burocrats making decisions

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rep__mike_jones: with really no medical or strategic now
justification and that started a process here in

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rep__mike_jones: york we did something that i don’t
believe anybody else did across the state i

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rep__mike_jones: spear headed something called reopened york and
we had a legal fund that we

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rep__mike_jones: put pulled together from the business community
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rep__mike_jones: business owners against the

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rep__mike_jones: state if they would come after them
we had p p e we had best

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rep__mike_jones: practices we had market messaging we even
had psychologist available to help these folks because

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rep__mike_jones: what was being done to their businesses
was criminal and some folks might be familiar

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rep__mike_jones: with around the clock diner that was
the most prominent business here in york guy

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rep__mike_jones: lot of national attention on fox news
and so forth

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rep__mike_jones: in any event i share that because

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rep__mike_jones: during that process you know and maybe
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rep__mike_jones: at least we did something that we
put back against tyranny and we ultimately had

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rep__mike_jones: over three hundred businesses i don’t know
if you’re aware of this or not mad

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rep__mike_jones: but we had over three of our
businesses that defied the governor’s orders and stayed

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rep__mike_jones: open and not one of them went
to jail not one of them closed doors

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rep__mike_jones: not one of them lost a license
that he was trying to weaponize against them

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rep__mike_jones: and if they were smart none of
them even paid a fine so the reason

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rep__mike_jones: i share that is we then went
into vaccine mandates and mass mandates on our

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rep__mike_jones: students and we went from you know
doctors and nurses in particular who we were

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rep__mike_jones: hailing as front line as front line
heroes as we know as we were rightfully

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rep__mike_jones: so we’re now talking about firing them
because they wouldn’t get unproven vaccines again there

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rep__mike_jones: will now you know vaccines are great
if that’s what you chose to do but

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rep__mike_jones: the notion of firing these people um
m because they refused to take an unproven

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rep__mike_jones: vaccine masking of children who were at
virtually

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rep__mike_jones: no risk from the virus and then
the third big bucket was election reform on

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rep__mike_jones: the heels of the twenty twenty election
we had a lot of people that were

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rep__mike_jones: not only angry but scared and disenfranchised
you know as to whether their votes were

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rep__mike_jones: properly canted on that sort of thing
so in the wake of all of that

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rep__mike_jones: i had a couple of senior colleagues
here in york and he just didn’t show

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rep__mike_jones: up to any of those things they
voted the right way but for a year

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rep__mike_jones: and a half you know when we’re
out there on the front lines people were

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rep__mike_jones: scared and hurting and business is being
shut down people out of work i had

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rep__mike_jones: a sixty two year old waitress in
ever forget she had literally fell through her

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rep__mike_jones: front door with a panic attack because
she had not gotten a pay check eight

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rep__mike_jones: weeks and nobody at department of unemployment
was picking up at the labor department and

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rep__mike_jones: so m m some of my colleagues
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rep__mike_jones: them for a year or two what
was coming and they ended up getting challenged

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rep__mike_jones: in primaries and for me the straw
that broke

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rep__mike_jones: the camel’s back little little tougher issue
for you out there in the western part

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rep__mike_jones: of the state but was fully funding
the university of pittsburgh who we found doing

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rep__mike_jones: barbaric experiments with feedle shoe king the
skin from four and five months old awarded

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rep__mike_jones: babies and sowing it on to lablabmice
and a couple of my guys here did

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rep__mike_jones: nothing so i took kind of an
unprecedented step of endorse and the challengers both

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rep__mike_jones: of whom ultimately won in the primaries
and will now be seated in january when

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rep__mike_jones: they’re sworn in wendy fink and joe
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rep__mike_jones: the establishment republican party did not appreciate
that and it’s not something i did lately

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rep__mike_jones: and maybe some day i’ll look back
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rep__mike_jones: what i felt i had to do
at the time and so as a result

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rep__mike_jones: i was stripped of three or four
three of my four committees and put up

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rep__mike_jones: in the front row moved my seat
on the house floor up to the front

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rep__mike_jones: very front row

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rep__mike_jones: and set me next to the democrats
but you know i’m a grown man i

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rep__mike_jones: can take it there are consequences but
to your point and i apologize for a

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rep__mike_jones: long answer here mat but the you
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rep__mike_jones: point before the break a lot of
times tensions and and and i think often

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rep__mike_jones: times productive i don’t know that i’d
even call it i mean it is a

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rep__mike_jones: little bit of in fighting but a
lot of it’s good healthy debate as well

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rep__mike_jones: but there’s a lot of debate within
the party that people don’t see because it’s

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rep__mike_jones: generally not public we do it that
ninety five percent of that occurs rightfully so

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rep__mike_jones: behind closed doors in what we know
what we call the colcrus room so you

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rep__mike_jones: won’t see republicans debating with republicans very
often you know in television interviews or even

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rep__mike_jones: on the house floor but that doesn’t
mean it doesn’t occur and so i think

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rep__mike_jones: that something people to you to your
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rep__mike_jones: is plenty of debate within the party
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rep__mike_jones: more behind the scenes

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matthew_dowling: to your point you know twenty five
years from now god willing i’m still living

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matthew_dowling: and around i will never forget hearing
recess in the house has been extended for

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matthew_dowling: fifteen minutes i think

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matthew_dowling: i hear that over and over and
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matthew_dowling: you know when we were in the
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matthew_dowling: caucus room you know we may say
that we’re going to caucus for an hour

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matthew_dowling: or an hour and a half and
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matthew_dowling: our debate becomes rather lengthy at times
and they’re literal they have been all afternoons

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matthew_dowling: that have been extended fifteen minutes at
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rep__mike_jones: m hm

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matthew_dowling: so that we can continue that debate
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matthew_dowling: work of the people and you know

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rep__mike_jones: exactly right

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matthew_dowling: i think that act it’s actually as
you said healthy because we don’t really want

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matthew_dowling: just one view to be recognized all
the time although many of us are pretty

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matthew_dowling: aunt in what our beliefs are you
do have the opportunity to change minds in

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matthew_dowling: the concus room and to to think
of things a little differently you know now

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matthew_dowling: i know we talked about the pandemic
already and about the hurt that it put

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matthew_dowling: on people especially our small business owners
from restaurants to to school teachers the whole

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matthew_dowling: nine yards everyone was affected one of
the things you’ve been working

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matthew_dowling: on has been economic growth and i
believe you started the economic growth caucus because

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matthew_dowling: we came out of this pandemic and
we were in a lot of trouble and

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matthew_dowling: and the commonwealth is going to have
to find ways to grow the icon me

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matthew_dowling: as we move forward so why don’t
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matthew_dowling: growth caucus

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rep__mike_jones: i appreciate the opportunity you know again
coming with a business background and really being

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rep__mike_jones: out of my element and to some
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rep__mike_jones: harrisburg you know i tell people i’m
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rep__mike_jones: traditional sense of getting you know a
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rep__mike_jones: hopefully i do a little bit of
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rep__mike_jones: anyway there’s a skill set that some
people have you know i’m not going to

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rep__mike_jones: be there s greatest debater on the
floor you know we’ve got some brilliant guys

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rep__mike_jones: up there as you know like paul
shem and tim bonner a lot of them

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rep__mike_jones: with legal backgrounds that are just really
remarkable what i would call traditional kind of

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rep__mike_jones: lawmakers my role is to kind of
bring the business community in the grass roots

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rep__mike_jones: to bear and make sure their voices
are heard and that they can impact policy

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rep__mike_jones: and to that end when i first
got to harrisburg i met a gentleman named

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rep__mike_jones: mike to bash who was now retired
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rep__mike_jones: obviously you and i served with him
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rep__mike_jones: and mike was a business guy and
i said you kno how many we have

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rep__mike_jones: many folks up here with business background
and it wasn’t a very big number you

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rep__mike_jones: get a lot of political science majors
a lot of attorneys and so forth and

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rep__mike_jones: there’s a role for everybody don’t get
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rep__mike_jones: but so what we did is you’re
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rep__mike_jones: up co founding about almost four years
ago now um economic growth caucus and and

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rep__mike_jones: then i’ve shared that ever since so
there’s about twenty five members you said early

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rep__mike_jones: on in the in your monologue there
that we want people that have signed the

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rep__mike_jones: front of a page not just the
back of a pay check and you and

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rep__mike_jones: i have both done that so these
are folks that either owned or led a

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rep__mike_jones: management position in a corporation and we
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rep__mike_jones: probably the least controversial is work force
we’re sending way too many kids to college

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rep__mike_jones: about forty five per cent of whom
will have no degree at all

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rep__mike_jones: in six years and then there’s another
chunk of course that we’ll have degrees they

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rep__mike_jones: never use so a lot of these
kids will have nothing but wasted time in

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rep__mike_jones: debt to show for the

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rep__mike_jones: experience in the meantime um and i
don’t know the statistics and in your neck

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rep__mike_jones: of the woods met but in york
county twenty percent of our jobs are manufacturing

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rep__mike_jones: that’s double the state average so we
are desperate

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rep__mike_jones: need of machinists and electricians and carpenters
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rep__mike_jones: we’re wasting taxpayer dollars to send a
lot of students to college that would be

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rep__mike_jones: better off in their vocational schools and
oh by the way we’re sending them there

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rep__mike_jones: in many cases to be indoctrinated in
socialism which is the enemy of america and

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rep__mike_jones: capitalism in my opinion we look at
energy policy you’re more a stud on than

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rep__mike_jones: i am being from you’re out in
in the western part of the state we

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rep__mike_jones: should be an energy power house and
were continuing to shoot ourselves in the foot

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rep__mike_jones: with like most recently the wolf trying
to get us into the

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rep__mike_jones: regional greenhouse gas initiative

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rep__mike_jones: we look at tax policy we finally
got a slight reduction in the corporate income

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rep__mike_jones: tax but we’re way too high on
corporate net income tax companies are not even

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rep__mike_jones: very few companies even consider ah

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rep__mike_jones: major investments here in pensylvania and again
we should be an economic power house from

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rep__mike_jones: a supply chain perspective were perfectly positioned
geographically we might have a lot of potholes

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rep__mike_jones: but of the bottom line is we
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rep__mike_jones: great infrastructure in the sense that we
have a lot of roads we are

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rep__mike_jones: central to a lot of the u
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rep__mike_jones: and then lastly is ulatory which is
even really worse for our business climate than

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rep__mike_jones: taxes because we are so difficult to
do business with the department of environmental protection

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rep__mike_jones: is out of control permits that take
three or four months and in many states

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rep__mike_jones: will take a year and a half
for two years here in pennsylvania so we’ve

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rep__mike_jones: been champion legislation i think we could
have done a lot more for small business

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rep__mike_jones: on the heels of the pandemic

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rep__mike_jones: time when people were more sympathetic to
the calls of small business we did get

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rep__mike_jones: a couple of things done i don’t
want to put your listeners to sleep but

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rep__mike_jones: we got to accelerate depreciation for capital
estimate we got something called like kind exchange

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rep__mike_jones: some things that i say aren’t real
sexy but we go a long way and

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rep__mike_jones: helping our businesses were championing something called
dem to prove permitting which would accelerate the

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rep__mike_jones: permitting process trying to keep de p
out of these real small projects say hey

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rep__mike_jones: look you shouldn’t be involved in anything
that’s less than five acres that’s currently one

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rep__mike_jones: acre so there’s some little things that
aren’t going to be headline grabbers but would

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rep__mike_jones: go a long way in helping our
businesses and of course continuing chip away the

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rep__mike_jones: crazy tax

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rep__mike_jones: burden you have here

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matthew_dowling: now you know my people may look
at us and you know i try to

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matthew_dowling: be objective here on this program now
that i have

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matthew_dowling: retired from the house but you

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matthew_dowling: know there there’s no hiding the fact
that i was a conservative republican member while

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matthew_dowling: i was there and continue to espouse
those beliefs in my personal life et cetera

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matthew_dowling: so i think sometimes people would paint
people like you and i with a with

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matthew_dowling: a broad brush and say you know
this is what a conservative republican looks like

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matthew_dowling: okay what are the guys that get
the awards at sea pack and things like

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matthew_dowling: that but that being said i think
there are some things that may shock some

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matthew_dowling: individuals and you know you talked a
little bit about kids that need training for

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matthew_dowling: the force that we have available and
about the trades you know i am a

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matthew_dowling: big supporter of excuse me of private
sector unions um public sector unions or a

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matthew_dowling: different situation but you know i think
if my son’s wanted to go become an

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matthew_dowling: electrician and become an apprentice and go
through that system rather than going to a

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matthew_dowling: traditional college i wouldn’t be worried offended
by that and and i want to get

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matthew_dowling: kind of your take what are your
opinions on the training that union offer

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rep__mike_jones: yeah i think the there’s a huge
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rep__mike_jones: three buckets

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rep__mike_jones: right and you touched on two of
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rep__mike_jones: which is basically the teachers unions and
the state employes um and i’ll tell you

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rep__mike_jones: right up front i think the teachers
unions not teachers the teachers unions are the

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rep__mike_jones: greatest source of evil in our state
for a lot of reasons that’s that’s how

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rep__mike_jones: passionate i am about that um then
you have your we’ll circle back to that

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rep__mike_jones: and they’re absolutely killing us with i
think on curriculum their way outside their lane

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rep__mike_jones: they got they’ve got they’ve gotten so
much money and have had so much power

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rep__mike_jones: go to their head that they’ve they’ve
become what they set out the fault you

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rep__mike_jones: know to fight years ago you would
say you know well

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rep__mike_jones: we’re there to

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rep__mike_jones: fight these corrupt greedy big business s
well the teachers union has become exactly that

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rep__mike_jones: and i think the m and the
burden that it’s putting on tax payers with

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rep__mike_jones: a pension system and so and so
forth then you’ve got what i guess you

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rep__mike_jones: know what i would call your traditional
like a shop union so i for example

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rep__mike_jones: i grew up in a u a
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rep__mike_jones: member a caterpillar machine operator here in
york when they still had manufacturing here and

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rep__mike_jones: then you got the trade unions and
as you know as you kind of across

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rep__mike_jones: that spectrum general membership has trended more
and more republican so we’ve i would venture

399
00:24:45,541 –> 00:24:48,028
rep__mike_jones: to guess you may know better than
i do mat but i would i would

400
00:24:48,088 –> 00:24:48,429
401
00:24:48,341 –> 00:24:48,401
402
00:24:49,031 –> 00:24:53,077
rep__mike_jones: robably well over half the trade union
members in the state probably tend to tend

403
00:24:53,117 –> 00:24:58,426
rep__mike_jones: to vote republican and even a lot
of your traditional like u a w teamster

404
00:24:58,506 –> 00:25:04,293
rep__mike_jones: types my dad was just that he
was a democrat that came a republican thanks

405
00:25:04,353 –> 00:25:08,119
rep__mike_jones: to ronald regan and really voted on
guns and abortion more so than he did

406
00:25:08,220 –> 00:25:15,045
rep__mike_jones: on traditional union issues but the i
think the trade union model is fantastic

407
00:25:14,589 –> 00:25:14,610
408
00:25:15,245 –> 00:25:21,335
rep__mike_jones: if you look at what they do
the worker training the emphasis on safety they’re

409
00:25:21,396 –> 00:25:26,925
rep__mike_jones: fighting for member benefit and so forth
and quality of life they self fund a

410
00:25:26,985 –> 00:25:31,052
rep__mike_jones: lot of that thing those things and
so i think it’s a great model i

411
00:25:31,112 –> 00:25:34,738
rep__mike_jones: think we as republicans have tried to
continue you know as regan said it’s a

412
00:25:34,798 –> 00:25:35,279
rep__mike_jones: big tent

413
00:25:35,400 –> 00:25:36,090
414
00:25:36,080 –> 00:25:40,355
rep__mike_jones: and we have try continue to try
to strengthen our relationship particularly with the trades

415
00:25:42,161 –> 00:25:48,772
rep__mike_jones: the main frustration that we that that
i at least have had um is they

416
00:25:48,852 –> 00:25:52,498
rep__mike_jones: continue to go to bat for the
public sector unions and we see the police

417
00:25:52,558 –> 00:25:55,515
rep__mike_jones: and the fire fighters doing the same
thing and to some extent i get it

418
00:25:56,201 –> 00:26:00,148
rep__mike_jones: but to the other extent it’s hard
for us to work with them if they

419
00:26:00,469 –> 00:26:03,435
rep__mike_jones: won’t work with us a little bit
and find some common round so as you

420
00:26:03,475 –> 00:26:09,561
rep__mike_jones: know we have a lot of bills
that focus just on public sector issues but

421
00:26:09,621 –> 00:26:12,767
rep__mike_jones: the trades and others will invariably come
to bat for them and they carry a

422
00:26:12,827 –> 00:26:15,331
rep__mike_jones: lot of a lot of weight so
i wish we could find a little bit

423
00:26:15,371 –> 00:26:20,920
rep__mike_jones: of middle ground there a little easier
said than done but yeah we have to

424
00:26:20,960 –> 00:26:26,411
rep__mike_jones: do it everything we can to champion
work force development like we’ve talked about you

425
00:26:26,451 –> 00:26:35,548
rep__mike_jones: know everything from pipe fitters to willers
and electricians and plumbers and carpenters and we

426
00:26:35,608 –> 00:26:42,656
rep__mike_jones: need to do a better job as
a party emphasizing those those skills and and

427
00:26:42,776 –> 00:26:48,796
rep__mike_jones: doing what we can to collaborate in
particular with the trades and it’s obviously critically

428
00:26:48,856 –> 00:26:54,205
rep__mike_jones: important out west where energy is such
a big big sector for you guys and

429
00:26:54,786 –> 00:27:00,206
rep__mike_jones: so i think we’ve made progress i
wish they could be a little more collaborative

430
00:27:00,907 –> 00:27:05,888
rep__mike_jones: and not defending what i think are
really some common sense reforms on the public

431
00:27:06,008 –> 00:27:09,229
rep__mike_jones: sector side but we’ll keep plugging away
on that

432
00:27:10,440 –> 00:27:14,206
matthew_dowling: you know and and you already touched
a little bit on the d p and

433
00:27:14,287 –> 00:27:19,435
matthew_dowling: regulation that’s there you know some of
these regulations are shutting down the quote unquote

434
00:27:19,595 –> 00:27:26,707
matthew_dowling: shovel ready projects that are or out
there and are supposed to exist because permitting

435
00:27:27,569 –> 00:27:31,415
matthew_dowling: is just so difficult i know i
see that in the gas and oil industry

436
00:27:31,535 –> 00:27:39,288
matthew_dowling: here in the foothills of afalacha here
in feet county and in summerset county you

437
00:27:39,328 –> 00:27:43,756
matthew_dowling: know their projects are being held up
and and so sometimes we have to fight

438
00:27:43,836 –> 00:27:45,258
matthew_dowling: for those those trade

439
00:27:45,241 –> 00:27:45,301
440
00:27:45,358 –> 00:27:45,659
441
00:27:45,402 –> 00:27:48,416
rep__mike_jones: and that’s if you don’t mind just
a second on that that’s really a killer

442
00:27:50,321 –> 00:27:56,311
rep__mike_jones: arguably even a bigger issue than some
of our unfriendly tax policies because having consulted

443
00:27:56,331 –> 00:27:59,396
rep__mike_jones: you know i talked at the onset
there that did a lot of consulting for

444
00:27:59,496 –> 00:28:05,875
rep__mike_jones: large and very large companies they drag
their feet like everybody else and you know

445
00:28:06,196 –> 00:28:09,815
rep__mike_jones: if they if they can go to
ohio or maryland or

446
00:28:10,665 –> 00:28:10,705
447
00:28:11,017 –> 00:28:15,765
rep__mike_jones: west virginia or what not and get
a pry and get a project up and

448
00:28:15,825 –> 00:28:16,045
449
00:28:16,020 –> 00:28:16,240
450
00:28:16,125 –> 00:28:19,592
rep__mike_jones: in three or four months they’re not
going to mess around with pensylvania in a

451
00:28:19,632 –> 00:28:20,476
rep__mike_jones: year and a half and

452
00:28:20,970 –> 00:28:21,190
453
00:28:21,951 –> 00:28:25,657
rep__mike_jones: p is really out of control they
out of focus on their core competence you

454
00:28:25,697 –> 00:28:29,223
rep__mike_jones: know save drinking water things like that
they’ve got their hands and way too many

455
00:28:29,283 –> 00:28:32,469
rep__mike_jones: pies and i don’t know how you
see it but it looks to me like

456
00:28:32,689 –> 00:28:35,138
rep__mike_jones: they’re in the business charter should be
to make sure that

457
00:28:35,700 –> 00:28:35,865
458
00:28:36,241 –> 00:28:36,683
459
00:28:37,140 –> 00:28:37,340
460
00:28:37,166 –> 00:28:42,999
rep__mike_jones: are proved quickly efficiently you know in
that they’re they’re adhering to safety standards i

461
00:28:43,079 –> 00:28:46,685
rep__mike_jones: think they’ve really gotten to where they’re
activist and they’re in the business of killing

462
00:28:47,146 –> 00:28:53,096
rep__mike_jones: killing projects that they don’t happen to
like and that’s just it has huge consequences

463
00:28:53,196 –> 00:28:53,899
rep__mike_jones: on our economy

464
00:28:53,550 –> 00:28:53,831
465
00:28:54,782 –> 00:28:56,108
rep__mike_jones: and that’s one reason that you know
a

466
00:28:56,130 –> 00:28:56,315
467
00:28:56,168 –> 00:28:59,807
rep__mike_jones: lot of young people are leaving the
state so it’s a big deal

468
00:29:01,050 –> 00:29:04,957
matthew_dowling: well i gotta get a nother break
in here real quick and when we come

469
00:29:05,017 –> 00:29:09,264
matthew_dowling: back we’re going to talk about one
of those other issues where you’ve been able

470
00:29:09,324 –> 00:29:14,631
matthew_dowling: to cross the isle and kind of
have conversations it with people outside of the

471
00:29:14,671 –> 00:29:17,314
matthew_dowling: party may not be the traditional republican
view point

472
00:29:17,582 –> 00:29:17,724
473
00:29:18,595 –> 00:29:23,179
matthew_dowling: but we’ll get to that as soon
as we get our next sponsor recognition in

474
00:29:29,211 –> 00:29:31,552
rep__mike_jones: oh yeah

475
00:29:31,778 –> 00:29:36,424
matthew_dowling: versions is ses

476
00:29:44,480 –> 00:29:44,560
477
00:29:48,792 –> 00:29:48,812
478
00:29:49,332 –> 00:29:50,276
rep__mike_jones: okay so far mat

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487
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thursday i’m here with my former colleague representative

495
00:33:07,923 –> 00:33:13,533
matthew_dowling: mike jones of south central york county
and we’ve been talking a little bit about

496
00:33:14,594 –> 00:33:20,965
matthew_dowling: how he’s a conservative republican but doesn’t
always fit that mode or how there are

497
00:33:22,508 –> 00:33:27,990
matthew_dowling: some differences that you’re not just able
to paint a politician with a broad rush

498
00:33:28,731 –> 00:33:31,456
matthew_dowling: so one of the items that i
know you worked on

499
00:33:31,443 –> 00:33:31,524
500
00:33:31,576 –> 00:33:36,124
matthew_dowling: mike in the pensylvania house over the
past couple of years has been criminal justice

501
00:33:36,244 –> 00:33:43,937
matthew_dowling: reform and that’s not always a you
know a corner stone of the republican cocks

502
00:33:44,017 –> 00:33:44,177
matthew_dowling: at the

503
00:33:44,151 –> 00:33:44,171
504
00:33:44,237 –> 00:33:50,467
matthew_dowling: federal level where the state level but
something i know you feel strongly about and

505
00:33:50,628 –> 00:33:55,095
matthew_dowling: maybe have had the offer ty to
reach across the isle and have conversations with

506
00:33:55,596 –> 00:34:01,326
matthew_dowling: with our democratic brethren about criminal justice
reform so why don’t you tell us a

507
00:34:01,486 –> 00:34:03,690
matthew_dowling: little bit about the work you’ve done
in that field

508
00:34:04,551 –> 00:34:05,333
rep__mike_jones: yeah i appreciate you

509
00:34:05,321 –> 00:34:05,401
510
00:34:05,414 –> 00:34:10,146
rep__mike_jones: giving me the opportunity matt yeah it
was certainly when i when i first ran

511
00:34:10,246 –> 00:34:17,133
rep__mike_jones: for office it’s almost five years ago
now riminal justice reform wasn’t even on my

512
00:34:17,213 –> 00:34:23,682
rep__mike_jones: rat or i’m a pretty traditional tough
olin crime kind of conservative republican and when

513
00:34:23,762 –> 00:34:28,668
rep__mike_jones: i got very early in my tenure
i think it was february of nineteen i

514
00:34:28,708 –> 00:34:33,432
rep__mike_jones: had only been in office a little
over a month i actually accepted an invitation

515
00:34:33,532 –> 00:34:40,315
rep__mike_jones: from the democratic black caucus to attend
an event in a woman’s prison we have

516
00:34:40,355 –> 00:34:44,542
rep__mike_jones: two women’s state penitentiaries in pensylvania one
of them is in months outside of william’s

517
00:34:44,622 –> 00:34:47,648
rep__mike_jones: port and it was a i think
it was over the mark luther

518
00:34:47,529 –> 00:34:47,550
519
00:34:47,708 –> 00:34:52,576
rep__mike_jones: king holiday as part of black history
in any event there were two republican sharoldeloser

520
00:34:52,676 –> 00:34:57,404
rep__mike_jones: from cumberland county who’s also been a
champion of criminal justice reform and myself and

521
00:34:57,464 –> 00:35:03,352
rep__mike_jones: about eight democrats um and that ended
up setting me on what has now been

522
00:35:03,412 –> 00:35:08,436
rep__mike_jones: a nearly four year journey championing a
couple of issues that as i said were

523
00:35:08,496 –> 00:35:12,440
rep__mike_jones: never even really on my radar screen
and one of those is dignity for incarcerated

524
00:35:12,520 –> 00:35:14,964
rep__mike_jones: women which for the first time ever
we

525
00:35:14,970 –> 00:35:15,210
526
00:35:15,044 –> 00:35:21,025
rep__mike_jones: got out of the house committee appreciate
colleague rob coffin a charin amount of judiciary

527
00:35:21,125 –> 00:35:21,987
rep__mike_jones: running a bill that

528
00:35:22,650 –> 00:35:22,870
529
00:35:22,728 –> 00:35:25,813
rep__mike_jones: wasn’t one is it on his top
ten list but he was willing to collaborate

530
00:35:25,853 –> 00:35:29,219
rep__mike_jones: and get it out of committee for
me and then we had it passed the

531
00:35:29,259 –> 00:35:31,763
rep__mike_jones: entire house floor so our hope is
that in

532
00:35:31,740 –> 00:35:31,760
533
00:35:31,843 –> 00:35:35,130
rep__mike_jones: next session we’ll get it all the
way to the governor’s desk but that basically

534
00:35:35,130 –> 00:35:35,270
535
00:35:35,190 –> 00:35:38,016
rep__mike_jones: in a nutshell recognizes that prisons

536
00:35:37,920 –> 00:35:38,520
537
00:35:38,096 –> 00:35:43,204
rep__mike_jones: weren’t really created with women in mind
men obviously particularly pregnant women have some unique

538
00:35:43,245 –> 00:35:44,386
rep__mike_jones: needs and

539
00:35:44,610 –> 00:35:44,770
540
00:35:44,827 –> 00:35:51,482
rep__mike_jones: basically so i tell people look as
i’m i’m a business man an american and

541
00:35:51,522 –> 00:35:51,542
542
00:35:51,600 –> 00:35:51,940
543
00:35:51,602 –> 00:35:52,846
rep__mike_jones: christian as a business man

544
00:35:56,362 –> 00:35:59,006
rep__mike_jones: a lot of this is just bad
business we want to do all we can

545
00:35:59,066 –> 00:36:03,494
rep__mike_jones: to end the cycle of crime and
that revolving door we want people to get

546
00:36:03,534 –> 00:36:06,078
rep__mike_jones: out of prison and get into the
work for us not come right back to

547
00:36:06,138 –> 00:36:11,424
rep__mike_jones: jail and so but to do that
we got to meet people in the middle

548
00:36:11,484 –> 00:36:13,668
rep__mike_jones: a little bit and so part of
this

549
00:36:13,522 –> 00:36:13,542
550
00:36:14,229 –> 00:36:16,292
rep__mike_jones: is recognizing that while

551
00:36:16,260 –> 00:36:16,501
552
00:36:16,352 –> 00:36:20,960
rep__mike_jones: women are there there are still our
mothers and sisters and daughters and neighbors

553
00:36:21,180 –> 00:36:21,721
554
00:36:21,361 –> 00:36:25,427
rep__mike_jones: need to be treated with dignity it’s
also a bit of a pro life aspect

555
00:36:25,508 –> 00:36:27,030
rep__mike_jones: to to make sure that we minimize

556
00:36:26,940 –> 00:36:27,402
557
00:36:27,150 –> 00:36:32,479
rep__mike_jones: trauma on unborn and try to minimize
the impact on minor children that some of

558
00:36:32,499 –> 00:36:35,685
rep__mike_jones: these women still at home and then
very quickly i said you look as an

559
00:36:35,725 –> 00:36:39,391
rep__mike_jones: american it’s a land of opportunity and
second chances none of us want to be

560
00:36:39,972 –> 00:36:44,379
rep__mike_jones: judged on our worst day i certainly
don’t want to um and lastly as a

561
00:36:44,419 –> 00:36:49,154
rep__mike_jones: christian you know we all in need
of redemption and i may you know not

562
00:36:49,214 –> 00:36:52,119
rep__mike_jones: have done anything to land myself in
jail but i’ll be the first one to

563
00:36:52,159 –> 00:36:56,506
rep__mike_jones: raise my hand and say that you
know i need forgiveness and redemption so this

564
00:36:56,666 –> 00:37:01,695
rep__mike_jones: is nothing about being solved on crime
it’s just trying to treat women with dignity

565
00:37:02,416 –> 00:37:07,251
rep__mike_jones: in many cases these women are where
they are because of it i’m not justifying

566
00:37:07,291 –> 00:37:08,918
rep__mike_jones: their behavior but a lot of them
there’s a

567
00:37:09,240 –> 00:37:09,260
568
00:37:09,931 –> 00:37:16,061
rep__mike_jones: disproportionate ly more instances where women have
found themselves incarcerated because of associating quite frankly

569
00:37:16,101 –> 00:37:19,487
rep__mike_jones: with a bad man one of the
other ones i really want to look at

570
00:37:19,547 –> 00:37:22,192
rep__mike_jones: this coming session it could be one
of them of the few

571
00:37:22,800 –> 00:37:23,610
572
00:37:23,275 –> 00:37:23,856
573
00:37:24,330 –> 00:37:24,453
574
00:37:24,337 –> 00:37:29,701
rep__mike_jones: to the democrats having control of the
house as i like to look at jerry

575
00:37:29,882 –> 00:37:37,864
rep__mike_jones: trick parole where we say that certain
criminals if they incarcerated individuals when they’ve reached

576
00:37:37,924 –> 00:37:42,031
rep__mike_jones: a certain age and they’ve served a
certain number of years so maybe it’s they’ve

577
00:37:42,071 –> 00:37:46,458
rep__mike_jones: reached the age of sixty and they’ve
served thirty years of a life sentence that

578
00:37:46,498 –> 00:37:50,785
rep__mike_jones: they would at least be l a
bowl for parole a lot of these folks

579
00:37:50,886 –> 00:37:54,592
rep__mike_jones: long since aged out of crime it’s
costing us a ton of money and many

580
00:37:54,489 –> 00:37:54,510
581
00:37:54,652 –> 00:37:59,480
rep__mike_jones: of them would be great mentors back
in society not only holding down jobs but

582
00:37:59,580 –> 00:38:06,111
rep__mike_jones: try to help direct younger men and
women away from a life of crime um

583
00:38:06,512 –> 00:38:12,562
rep__mike_jones: it’s common sense legislation that i’d like
to try to see us go or there’s

584
00:38:12,602 –> 00:38:16,049
rep__mike_jones: a lot of exceptions we’re not going
to help people that hurt kids for example

585
00:38:16,109 –> 00:38:16,509
rep__mike_jones: or anything

586
00:38:16,560 –> 00:38:18,240
587
00:38:16,590 –> 00:38:18,974
rep__mike_jones: like that but there are a lot
of people

588
00:38:18,780 –> 00:38:18,800
589
00:38:19,014 –> 00:38:20,136
rep__mike_jones: that made bad decisions

590
00:38:20,049 –> 00:38:20,380
matthew_dowling: m oh

591
00:38:20,216 –> 00:38:25,115
rep__mike_jones: when they were you know teen agers
or or young men or women that have

592
00:38:25,255 –> 00:38:30,624
rep__mike_jones: probably earned at least consideration not a
pardon but consideration for parole so those are

593
00:38:30,704 –> 00:38:36,815
rep__mike_jones: two things in particular i’ve made about
eight or ten trips to philadelphia um usually

594
00:38:36,895 –> 00:38:42,224
rep__mike_jones: speaking to predominantly black audiences so you
can you can imagine they don’t expect to

595
00:38:42,284 –> 00:38:46,350
rep__mike_jones: see some white business guy from the
suburbs who was twice ranked the most concern

596
00:38:46,471 –> 00:38:49,015
rep__mike_jones: time in the state down in villey
talking about criminal

597
00:38:48,690 –> 00:38:49,380
598
00:38:49,075 –> 00:38:52,521
rep__mike_jones: justice reform so that’s one of the
great things about

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rep__mike_jones: your show you know there’s it’s not
as black and white as people think it

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rep__mike_jones: is in the political world so there’s
a lot of room for negotiation and common

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rep__mike_jones: ground and you can build friendships across
the isle

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matthew_dowling: well and i think whenever we’re talking
about criminal justice reform luckily you’re not the

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matthew_dowling: only republican that is

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matthew_dowling: on board you know we’re not we’re
not saying open up the orson and let

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matthew_dowling: everyone out you know quite frankly i
didn’t agree with with some of the prisoners

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matthew_dowling: that were released during the pandemic because
of overcrowding in our penitentiaries et cetera but

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matthew_dowling: i do think there’s room for criminal
justice reform and even the americans for prosperity

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matthew_dowling: which sometimes some of their members make
me look a little bit a leftest you

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matthew_dowling: know in comparison but the americans for
prosperity have taken the opinion and i’ve talked

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matthew_dowling: to them that you know it’s costing
us money to keep these people in prison

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matthew_dowling: and they’re unable to be productive members
of society so if they’re not a harm

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matthew_dowling: to the selves or others why not
look at getting them back into the community

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matthew_dowling: where they can do some good and
and generate some income of their own and

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matthew_dowling: maybe lead a

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matthew_dowling: productive life um not to mention i
think some of these reforms will actually not

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matthew_dowling: only help us with long term with
people that have long sentences but people with

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matthew_dowling: shorter sentences that where we ceive receive
ism being higher than maybe it should be

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rep__mike_jones: yeah you’re you’re exactly right i think
again i was actually just did a prison

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rep__mike_jones: in chester county a few months back
and met some of these lifers i think

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rep__mike_jones: if people and again i’m a tough
one crime guy okay with the death penalty

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rep__mike_jones: when it’s warranted and things like that
so but you meet some of these individuals

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rep__mike_jones: and you’re like as i said this
is just bad bit business and defies logic

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rep__mike_jones: and to your point you make a
good point to in some of the shorter

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rep__mike_jones: sentences another area we have to look
at is some of these things become almost

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rep__mike_jones: self fulfilling prophecies and what i’m alluding
to is the fines that we’re burdening people

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rep__mike_jones: with in particular and a lot of
times that’s coupled with taking their driver’s license

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rep__mike_jones: you’re putting people back on the street
saying you got to pay back and i’m

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rep__mike_jones: not talking about restitution if you did
damage that needs to be repaid um but

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rep__mike_jones: when you’ve got municipalities in the state
piling on with

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rep__mike_jones: fines while at the same time

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rep__mike_jones: dramatically curtailing the individual’s ability to make
a living it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy

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rep__mike_jones: that they’re going to go back into
into that criminal element if you follow and

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rep__mike_jones: again nothing there’s a lot of nuance
and a lot of gray area here but

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rep__mike_jones: we’re going to have to

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rep__mike_jones: get a lot smarter especially when these
people are desperately needed in the work force

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rep__mike_jones: um and there’s some bad actors we
had a very conservative judge here who since

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rep__mike_jones: retired judge trabildcock in york he was
kind of a pioneer in the area of

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rep__mike_jones: drug courts and veterans courts and so
forth he himself was a veteran and he

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rep__mike_jones: would tell that i was actually shocked
he said it’s probably eighty percent at least

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rep__mike_jones: seventy five maybe eighty percent of the
people that come before him really that he

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rep__mike_jones: had to send to jail really should
not have been going there they had other

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rep__mike_jones: issues we see a lot of people
with mental health issues in particular we’re housing

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rep__mike_jones: in the jails and there’s twenty twenty
five percent that are bad actors that we

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rep__mike_jones: need to lock up and probably never
see the light of day but there’s another

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rep__mike_jones: big chunk of the population um m
we’ve really got to re think what we’re

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rep__mike_jones: doing here because it’s it’s it’s a
huge cost and in many cases we’re actually

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rep__mike_jones: increasing not decreasing the recitivism to your
point

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matthew_dowling: sure hey mike we got to get
one quick break in and we’ll come back

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matthew_dowling: and close out the show today you’re
listening to commonalities on w b s radio

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matthew_dowling: every place you download your favorite radio
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matthew_dowling: represented mike jones of south central york
county and mike we have just about two

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matthew_dowling: minutes left any closing thoughts for us
here today

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rep__mike_jones: yeah well first of all again i
want to congratulate

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rep__mike_jones: you on your show i have a
tremendous amount

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rep__mike_jones: of respect for you enjoyed our time
together in a legislature and i really like

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rep__mike_jones: the four men i think

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rep__mike_jones: just with limited time and sort of
in the spirit i think of what you’re

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rep__mike_jones: trying to accomplish with your show i
like to say that

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rep__mike_jones: you know we don’t get better by
just surrounding ourselves with people who tell us

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rep__mike_jones: what we want to hear so it’s
always good you know you’re gonna i’m sure

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rep__mike_jones: many of our core beliefs we’re going
to have with us you know till the

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rep__mike_jones: day we die um but i have
found tremendous

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rep__mike_jones: in while i can be assionate and
opinionated i don’t need to be arrogant about

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rep__mike_jones: it and i can be humble and
listen to other opinions whether it’s across the

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rep__mike_jones: isle or from within my own party
and you know always be open to the

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rep__mike_jones: possibility that hey maybe i’m you know
maybe i’m wrong or maybe somebody has got

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rep__mike_jones: a better idea um and lastly in
that regard one thing i would like to

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rep__mike_jones: see in harrisburg a lot of times
compromise is just my partisan just means easy

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rep__mike_jones: stuff or it means water down and
i think we can do a lot more

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rep__mike_jones: horse trading and a great example is
like small business legislation that ould be really

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rep__mike_jones: substenantive that a lot of democrats could
either support or at least live with in

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rep__mike_jones: exchange for something like criminal justice reform
that they’re passionate about we might not be

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rep__mike_jones: as passionate but it’s good policy and
we could live with it and that’s something

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rep__mike_jones: i would love to see going forward
is a little more horse trading on sanative

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rep__mike_jones: issues you know rather than just watered
down feel good by partisan because it’s not

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rep__mike_jones: that we don’t agree it’s that we’ve
lost the art of debate you healthy friendly

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rep__mike_jones: debate so that’s kind of my closing
thought for you there and again con grat

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rep__mike_jones: relations and i appreciate your having me
a

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matthew_dowling: well thank you so so much for
being with us here mike it is thanksgiving

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matthew_dowling: week and you know i find myself
very thankful for the time that i had

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matthew_dowling: in legislature not just to the work
of the people but to meet people like

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matthew_dowling: yourself and to meet people on both

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matthew_dowling: sides of the isle who are just
great human beings even if we don’t agree

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matthew_dowling: on every issue i think many paul
asians just want to leave their communities a

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matthew_dowling: little bit better than they found my
guest today was represented mike jones from york

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matthew_dowling: county mike so much thank you so
much for being with us and have a

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matthew_dowling: great thanksgiving

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rep__mike_jones: thank you mat you do the same
hope you and your family are doing well

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