Episode 12 – #TalkPolitics

04Jan, 2023
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Starting now.

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Commonalities where guests find
common ground through uncommon

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conversations, politics,
religion, finances,

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all the topics your grandmother told
you not to discuss with friends.

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And now your host, Matthew Dowling.

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And today's guests commonalities.

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Thanks for joining us on another
episode of Commonalities. I'm your host,

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Matt Dowling, and my guest today
is Zigman Reichenbach. And,

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uh, Zig, why don't you go ahead and, uh,

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give a little bit of your background in
a self introduction to the listeners,

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uh, that are out there at home.

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Hey, good evening, listeners
have commonalities.

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My name is Zigmund Reichenbach.

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I work as a grassroots engagement
director with Americans for Prosperity.

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I'm not here speaking
on behalf of them today,

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just speaking here as a
independent commentator and
observer of what's going on

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in grassroots politics. So most of you,

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a lot of you'll probably see me around
at events or will continue to do so

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as we, uh,

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well focus on less government and
less taxes broadly professionally,

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but also I am a, uh,
political observer as well.

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Sure. Well, thank you so much for
making time to be with us, Zig.

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I know we have, uh, we have some
big things to discuss this evening,

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um, but, you know, grassroots
politics, when we, you know,

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just before we get started, when we start
talking about grassroots politics, um,

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you know, what, how would you
define that? How would you, uh,

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share the meaning of that?

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Well, how,

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how I would define grassroots
politics is what it is that typical

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middle class people like you and I are
most concerned with that often goes

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un unarticulated except for at
a handful of meetings or maybe

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an op-ed or letter to, to,
that are here and there.

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But it's really focusing on what it
is that the majority of people want

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with just ordinary individuals that
are seeking to get their voice out,

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because that often goes either
overlooked or ignored by politicians

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in the GE General Assembly, Congress,
anywhere. So, so that's why,

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uh, working in the grassroots and working
with people in the grassroots is so

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important, because more often than not,

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people in the grassroots are
fundamentally overlooked.

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And politicians should, quite frankly,

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do do a better job of taking
into account what it is that,

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that people actually find important.

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You know, and, and I
don't think we can, uh,

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ignore the fact that there is a
place in politics for big money

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and for lobbying and
for, uh, corporations to,

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to get involved in government. But we,
as middle class Americans, as, as, uh,

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constituents of the commonwealth, we,
we may not have the same money as,

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uh, as other people put into campaigns,

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but through grassroots activism,
we can have just as much power.

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You know, uh, you know,

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I just retired from the State
House and served six years there.

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My first campaign, um, there were a lot
of people that thought, you know, Hey,

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this young guy, no way he can win
against a tenure incumbent, uh,

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with name recognition,
et cetera. And, you know,

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it was really getting out and knocking
on doors and meeting with people.

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We knocked on over 10,000 doors
in that campaign. And, uh,

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there are so many of those same people
that, that I have gotten to know. And,

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uh, and really I think that's
what won me the election.

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So it's so important for
individuals to get involved in

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grassroots campaigning. Now, I
have a couple notes that, uh,

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that we made before the show. And,
and I know we want to get to, uh,

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some important topics. Uh, you know,

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following through a study of political
philosophy at Lycoming College,

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great college in the middle
of the Commonwealth, um,

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there seemed to be a major
discrepancy between what the founders

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promised and what we have now.

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Why don't you go ahead and
explain that to us a little bit?

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Yeah. And that's,

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that's the whole reason why it was that
I chose to get involved because has

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somebody who, who was in
the grassroots and, and,

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and was a student and was trying to
understand the world around me more

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thoroughly,

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I came to find out and learn that
all the stuff that I'm being told on,

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on the media or the information that I'm
getting from my friends here and there,

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that's not what it is that, that
the founders actually promised.

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So that's a major reason why I
decided to get involved. For example,

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one thing that's important to
note is, but most people are,

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are so confused about the distinction
between a Republican democracy,

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for example, and be because of that,
because of that conceptual confusion.

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Now people are up in arms about things
like the, the, the electoral college,

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which actually safeguards
are republic, or they,

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or they just don't have
a, a deep understanding or
respect for the constitution,

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because heck,

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even some people view the constitution
as anti-democratic in some ways.

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So I think it's really important
that people have some understanding

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of what it is that, uh, the, the
philosophy that the founders had,

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so that way they can understand
how it is that people are,

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are leadership ought to govern,
right? Because you, you,

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you can't understand how people should,

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should govern if you
don't have a philosophy or
understanding of what it is that

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they're supposed to be governing.

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Well,

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let me take just a moment to kind of
summarize some of the things you said and

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keep me honest with my listeners
here. If I misspeak, don't, you know,

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feel free to correct me, but
we're talking about a democracy,

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which people normally say, you know,

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the United States of
America is a democracy.

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We're not a true democracy because
every single decision is not voted

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on by every single person who is
within the United States. Instead,

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we're a representative republic where, uh,

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we elect individuals to make
decisions on our behalf, and,

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uh, we have the, uh,

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ability to vote them out of office at
any given time at at election time,

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uh, if they're not serving the purposes
that we've put them in place to serve.

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Um, so do, do I have those
two distinctions? Uh.

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There Zig, no, no. That, that ex
distinction is, uh, exactly right. In,

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in democracy, people de directly voted
on legislation. It wasn't all people,

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actually, people were chosen
randomly to vote in, uh, democracy,

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but they did directly voted
on legislation. And the
reason why the founders,

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for example, didn't want and didn't
support that was because, well,

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for, for one,

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just a clear study of history and
seeing how that actually led to the, uh,

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destruction of passed great
societies, but also they,

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they believe that representatives could
better refine and articulate the views

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of individual citizens. So, so
that's, that's one reason, uh, why,

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why we have a a, a republic. And that's,
that's one of the, the advantages and,

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and, and benefits of having a, uh,

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republic because our representatives
are not prone to the same, um,

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passions, for example, that
the people could be, um, throw,

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thrown into arms about. So it's, it's
really de distinctions like that, that,

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uh, in understanding those things,
uh, that's why it was that I chose to,

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to get involved so that hopefully we, we
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our republic, how things should govern,

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and we could do so with truth
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that well perhaps will get us more
closely to what the founders wanted in a

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republic.

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And, you know, I'm, I'm gonna make
this comment with, um, at the,

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for the sake of, uh, clarification,

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I don't wanna sound like an elitist
at all, because, you know, I,

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I served as a representative
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but there are many times when if
the average everyday middle class

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American was voting on
every piece of legislation,

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they may not have all of the, um,

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the knowledge they need to make an
educated, informed decision. Um,

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I always told people that being a state
representative meant that you had to be

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a subject matter expert at absolutely
every subject, because we could go from,

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uh, a bill on healthcare reform to, uh,

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a bill that is dealing with,

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with education in the same day.
And so we had to do our research.

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And, and that's why, um, you know,
it's a full-time position, uh,

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to be able to do that,

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because if you are attending to your
family and working a nine to five job,

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you may not have that
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to inform all the decisions that
you need to make. That's right.

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The other thing I, I wanted to comment on,

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because you mentioned it was
the electoral college, and, uh,

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and this is one of my favorite
things to, to debate, but, uh,

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for the sake of this episode,
we'll just keep it brief. You know,

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the electoral college is important
because if it was not for the electoral

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college areas with massive
population would really override

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our rural parts of America. And living
in rural southwestern Pennsylvania,

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you know, I already see, uh, at
election time, election numbers,

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how the County of Philadelphia
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lead the Commonwealth. It's almost
like we need an electoral college, uh,

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just at the state level to, uh, to
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So I've said my piece for the
electoral college today. Um,

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let's get to Constitutionality,
um, yep. The importance of being,

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uh, someone who,

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who believes in the Constitution
follows the Constitution. Um,

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talk to me a little bit about your
thoughts on the Constitution and

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constitutionality.

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Well, I, I think in a lot
of cases, because pe people
generally f for instance,

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don't understand what the founder
set in at the, the, the Federalist,

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which was used to justify the
existence of the U United States

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Constitution because they were
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because people don't
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then they have an o they often
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Constitution itself, in
part, not only because they,

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they don't know about the Federalists,

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but they're also choosing to
read something like Marx or, uh,

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some other European tw,

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20th century thinker that
probably resented, uh,

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American greatness. But if,

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if people studied political
philosophy, for example, they,

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they would understand that
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the Second Amendment and our right to
bear arms isn't just about the right to

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bear arms for bearing arms' sake, or
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It's that way. Because the
founders study John Locke who said,

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Hey, if, if we're living
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the three things that we're gonna have
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to be life, liberty, and property.

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Those are the most reasonable things
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a pre society. And so the,

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the Second Amendment is just,
uh, constitutionalizing,

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if you will, our right to self-defense,

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because if we were in a state of
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we would expect anybody to have
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That's what people would do. So now,

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because people don't under
understand that they think, well, we,

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we oughta just be able to, to, to
get rid of guns. Well, now, I mean,

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people have a inherent
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and if you get rid of something like
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people can't defend themselves.

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And that's worse in some ways than living
in a priest civilized society. Right?

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Yeah. And, and when you're talking about
the Second Amendment, I don't know if,

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uh, if everyone realizes this, I know
a lot of my listeners probably do,

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but the Second Amendment, uh,

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of the US Constitution protects
your right to keep and bear

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arms. Um, but the
Pennsylvania Constitution,

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section 21 also talks about, uh,

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the right to keep and bare arms, and
it's even actually, that's right,

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stronger in its wording than the, uh,

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US Constitution saying that
it shall not be questioned.

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Um, so you have protections for,

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for the Second Amendment
in both of those places.

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The First Amendment can't
be ignored either. Uh,

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so let's talk just for a moment
or so about the importance of the,

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the free speech and, uh,
in the First Amendment.

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Yeah, I just, I just think that now be
because people don't understand the,

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the, the importance of
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and they're reading things like
Marks and other po post-Modern

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Thinkers, um, then it's really
marginalizing. It's, it's, I,

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so we're on, alternatively,

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they will only have respect
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insofar as it can advance
things like, uh, you,

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you had a lot of it radical
causes in the 1960s, for example.

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They only respected that the, the,
the First Amendment insofar has,

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it could ad advance their
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were doing a, a, a thorough reading h
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they would understand that
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is important because it actually helps
our balance of power. It helps, uh,

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various factions are, are articulate well,

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what it is that's going on in, in society.

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a set of checks and balances
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factions that's needed according
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because our, our Republican system
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to create Utopia.

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without having some implicit
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the First Amendment,

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the founders themselves would've never
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the Federalist, which were
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So if that doesn't highlight the
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conver conversation, I
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Y you know, Zig, we have to get
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but before we do that, I just wanna
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our republic as the founders intended it.

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And I don't think you can do that
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uh, you know, the federal government's
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just in 30 seconds, give us your point
of view. And also, I want to say this,

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I know some of our listeners may
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because you and I both come from this,
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I think we both sit on the
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but if someone disagrees, uh,

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I would welcome that conversation
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at a future date and
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we're not saying we're absolutely
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this is what it looks like.

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So let's talk state's rights over
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and then we'll go to a quick commercial.

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Break. The, the,

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the whole reason why the founders thought
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they, they, they assumed
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the new Constitution that people would
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important in terms of local
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because geographically, physically,
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it's probably what should be closest
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disagreement. So the, the whole,

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the whole justification behind
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it allows people who have local
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participate and solve problems in
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the federal government can't.
And the founders understood that.

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Well, and I don't wanna open a
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and take up the rest of the show
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we have issues where I think the
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I would have constituents ask
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recreational marijuana or the,
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And of course, here in the
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it's been some time that we've
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medical marijuana laws in place.

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But the federal drug schedule
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and therefore you have issues with gun
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And I think that's one of the areas
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kind of overstepped. And,

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and I think that's one of the conflicts
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forefathers would've said, Hey,
this is a state's rights issue.

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That's right. Yeah. Now, Zig,
that's, that's exactly right.

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Zig, we gotta get to our first break.

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You're listening to Commonalities
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I'm your host Matt Dowling, and my
guest today is Zigman Reichenbach.

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Uh, Zig, you are here talking
a little bit about, uh,

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the way our forefathers set up the
country and what their intentions

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were. We're also talking about
grassroots politics. And,

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uh, so my question for you is, why
from a grassroots perspective, uh,

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finding commonalities in politics is,

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or seems to be so difficult?

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Well, b big part of the reason why it's
made so difficult is because there's,

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there's so much perverse incentive, so,

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so many perverse incentives from
folks in the media to in intentionally

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create, in, in inflammatory comments and,

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and remarks and headlines such
that when people read them,

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they think that that's what
their neighbors are like.

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I know I talked to a bunch of people
in the grassroots for, for example,

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that didn't want to do something
like canvassing because they,

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they were afraid of the people that
would come to the door. Now, when,

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when you know that there's a
problem when people are afraid

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of knocking on the door of
people who are their neighbors,

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I mean, if, if, if that's
the case, I mean, it's,

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it's a miracle and blessing that
we even have any semblance of,

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of society where people even being afraid
of their own neighbors because of the

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sens sensationalized media, right?

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So the point, uh, that you're
making is that the media, of course,

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to drive up ratings for
years has made stories

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more sensational,

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and they've gone either to the extreme
right or the extreme left of an

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an issue. And, uh, therefore
it's, it becomes very polarizing.

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Um, but, you know, one of the things
we're trying to do with this show,

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and the reason why the
show's name is commonalities,

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is we wanna find common
ground, um, with our neighbors,

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with our fellows, citizens here of, uh,

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of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
and the United States of America. Um,

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you know, uh, talk a
little bit more about, um,

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the way fear mongering has
happened within our media.

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Well, I think ha, having that incentive
to, to to sell newspapers, uh,

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discourages people from just
coming together and just,

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just talking as they used
to in times past. If,

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if you take a look back at
history, for example, the,

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the great probably hub, hub democracy,

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or even just thinking about rights,

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was really in coffee shops when
you had a vast middle class

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there and ready to talk to one
another, uh, about politics.

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So not only do, do we have fear, fear
mongering in the, the, the media for,

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for ratings, we also don't
even have hardly any space to,

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to find any common ground
anymore there. I mean, if,

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if you go to a coffee shop now
and you try to talk about, uh,

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politics with somebody,

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they're probably gonna look at you
depending on how local the place is.

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But if it's somewhere like a major chain,

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they're gonna look at you like you're
absolutely crazy. I know, because I've,

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uh, done it before and I've
ran into some trouble. Well,

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one time I tried to start up a
conversation with a gentleman that a, uh,

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restaurant. And I, I was telling
him, well, what I was doing, how,

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how I was canvassing. He told me that he
supported what it was that I was doing,

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but then he said he didn't
want to talk about it,

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and then he talked about
it for another 15 minutes,

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basically rambling to himself. I I
tried to talk about it again, and then,

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and then he yelled at me.
So that just indicates the,

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the confusion that people have about
politics, the, the internal fear, the,

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the, the, the barriers that
exist, there's really just,

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just so many barriers and fear and no
common space to find that middle ground

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that we're really trying to get to.

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You know, our tagline on this show
is, uh, that we talk about politics,

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religion, and finances,

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everything your grandmother told
you not to talk about with friends.

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And my grandmother literally
used to tell me, um, you know,

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don't bring up that conversation.
Don't talk about religion,

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don't talk about politics,
don't talk about finances.

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But those are the, the big
issues that need discussion.

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And, you know, u unfortunately,

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we have come to a society where
everyone kind of clamors up

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when you introduce a topic like
that around the dinner table.

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And I think what people forget
is that, that you and I, uh,

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could have completely different
ways of solving a problem.

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We may even agree on the
problem that we have.

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Let's say it's that the education
system is broken. Um, you know,

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I think people on the left and on
the right could, uh, agree that,

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that that's the case. Um, and
there's my dog in the background. Uh,

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but so they could believe that
there is a problem with education.

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They go about it by solving it two
different, completely different ways.

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And at the end of the day,
we can have a discussion.

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We can disagree on how
to solve the problem,

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but what's important is that we can
shake hands and break bread and still be

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friends afterwards. And, uh, you know,
there were many nights in Harrisburg,

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um, you know, where I would go out
to dinner on a specific topic, uh,

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with a company or a lobbyist, and then
afterwards I would find myself, uh,

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enjoying a cigar or, you know,
having, uh, having a drink at,

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uh, at an establishment in downtown.

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And many times I was sitting
with the same Democrats that, uh,

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on the house floor, we may
have disagreed and ly uh,

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debated each other, but we could
come together as individuals,

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as people, as human beings at
the end of the day. And, and,

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and that's what I'm trying to
address through this podcast. And,

447
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,000
uh, you know, I don't know if you have
any personal experience like that where,

448
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,240
you know, you can completely
disagree with someone, but still, uh,

449
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,960
treat them humanely and still,
uh, be friends with them.

450
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:23,120
No, no, that's, that's
exactly right. And I,

451
00:28:23,150 --> 00:28:26,480
I think because people don't
know the full extent of all,

452
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,200
all the issues that are covered
in the General assembly,

453
00:28:31,090 --> 00:28:32,720
because they're not aware of them,

454
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,600
they're really not aware of all the
different spaces that they could actually

455
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,960
find, uh, common ground.
Uh, for, for example,

456
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:42,040
um,

457
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,400
state Senator AR or Haywood is somebody
that I would probably disagree with on a

458
00:28:46,510 --> 00:28:50,240
number of different issues,
but he, he introduced a bill,

459
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,560
and I guess I won't get into the,
to the total details of it unless,

460
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:57,560
unless you'd like to.
But he, he introduced a,

461
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,160
a bill that I think is, uh,

462
00:28:59,270 --> 00:29:03,520
most sensible when it comes to
criminal justice reform. And I,

463
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,400
I think because people don't know
all the different issues out there

464
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,520
fundamentally, or, or, or they don't
even know what's going on in the,

465
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,600
the general assembly, that
they really miss out on a,

466
00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:18,080
a lot of good opportunities to
find that common ground. It's hard,

467
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,800
it's hard to find common ground if
you don't know the ground exists.

468
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,780
You know, uh, Senator
Art Haywood, uh, he's a,

469
00:29:24,780 --> 00:29:26,620
he's a good man from Philadelphia.

470
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:31,580
He and I probably would never agree on
ev anything except maybe where to, uh,

471
00:29:31,580 --> 00:29:34,060
where to have lunch or
where to have dinner. Uh,

472
00:29:34,060 --> 00:29:38,100
we did the PCN Colin show
a number of times, uh,

473
00:29:38,420 --> 00:29:42,400
together where we would kind of
spar with each other, and, uh,

474
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,400
and we had differing points
of view. Um, but, you know,

475
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,480
that's another individual where,
you know, at the end of the day,

476
00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:53,240
he's a human being. He's trying to
do the best for his constituents,

477
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,240
even though his ideas, um,
would be very different.

478
00:29:57,650 --> 00:30:00,680
We do have to get to another
break in just about a minute,

479
00:30:00,740 --> 00:30:05,600
but before we do that, you touched on
criminal justice reform. Mm-hmm. And,

480
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,960
uh, and I want to take our
conversation kind of a step further,

481
00:30:09,260 --> 00:30:12,240
and I wanna put some blame on politicians,

482
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:16,200
and I have the ability to do
that because, uh, you know, I,

483
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:21,240
I was a politician. I am a
politician. Um, but, you know,

484
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:25,600
when we campaign, we send out, uh, flyers,

485
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,360
or we create commercials
that have just small news

486
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,040
bites or clips. And I
used to say, you know,

487
00:30:33,250 --> 00:30:37,800
it is amazing that I could
make a vote and I could vote

488
00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:41,560
yes or no, and whether I voted yes or no,

489
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,280
it didn't matter because a negative
mail piece could be construed, uh,

490
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,480
from my vote either way.

491
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,240
And we as politicians have
created a culture where that's

492
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,200
done, and it's this, uh, Mac veian kind
of mentality that everything's good.

493
00:30:57,770 --> 00:31:00,720
Um, let's just say,
because Art Haywood is,

494
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,520
is looking at criminal justice
reform, and he wants to put,

495
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,440
put people that have served their
time back to work and being productive

496
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,160
members of society. But if
I'm running against him,

497
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,240
I'll just say he's soft on crime <laugh>.

498
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,120
So we as politicians have really done
an injustice to the voters in that

499
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,840
regard. Zig, uh, I gotta get to
our next break. When we come back,

500
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,280
we'll be talking a little bit more
about how to address these issues

501
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:29,400
here within the Commonwealth
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Thanks for staying with us with
commonalities here on w Nmb S five 90

570
00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:45,640
am 1 0 1 0.1 fm. I'm
your host, Matt Dowling.

571
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,120
My guest today is Zigman
Reich Bach. And, uh,

572
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,400
Zig, we were talking a
little bit about, uh,

573
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,320
kind of what the founding fathers had in
mind about some of the problems we have

574
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,440
with a polarized society, um,

575
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:06,320
and how politics really kind
of just turn some people's

576
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,840
stomachs and turn some people off to
the point to where they don't even wanna

577
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,440
have a conversation with
their neighbors. Um,

578
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,960
but I know you're doing some
work to address these issues.

579
00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:20,960
So tell me a little bit about
what you as an individual, uh,

580
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,880
constituent of the
Commonwealth are doing to, uh,

581
00:36:25,410 --> 00:36:27,280
to try to address these issues.

582
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:31,000
Well, well, well, one thing that I
just recently started doing is I,

583
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:34,160
I started doing something similar to
what it is that you're doing here on c

584
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,680
commonalities with the weekly
podcast called Talk, talk Politics.

585
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,600
Every Tuesday at 8:30 PM I have individual
Facebook group where I try to get

586
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,040
a pulse of what it is that
people are talking about,

587
00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:49,080
and then I talk about what's
going on at the national level.

588
00:36:49,110 --> 00:36:53,000
I had some commentary and also
talk about state politics, but the,

589
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,520
the reason why that project
is so important to me and
why I I got involved in it

590
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,200
is because I found that that
often what's going on in the news,

591
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,000
because I had had so so many civil
conversations with great politicians

592
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,960
and great people, was then
they're not providing the,

593
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,640
the analysis that most people
are really looking for. For,

594
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,920
for example, if, if you take
the Russia, Ukraine situation,

595
00:37:19,530 --> 00:37:21,640
um, it seems to be the,

596
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,040
the case that a lot of people in
the media are just saying, well,

597
00:37:24,070 --> 00:37:28,640
this side's good, and this side's
bad, and, and that's not, well, no,

598
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:32,320
really, there's, there's a lot
more to look into, you know,

599
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,720
in terms of what started the conflict, um,

600
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:40,000
how long the conflict has been going
on in until we, we understand the,

601
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,320
the history of the conflict,

602
00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:46,360
then we can't understand how to find
a solution if we don't understand the

603
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,960
history. So I, I, I do analysis
on things like that. Um,

604
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,720
and, you know, I, I think
anybody really with,

605
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:57,320
with the great power we have now to
reach a people, more people should,

606
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,920
should start a podcast. So that way
they can have more of those, um,

607
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,200
those,

608
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,760
those discussions that they would have
at the dinner table online with their

609
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,120
friends and family, right?
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

610
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:13,480
So other than voting,
what can the normal, uh,

611
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,320
American citizen do, uh, to influence the,

612
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,040
the political sphere out there?

613
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:23,000
Well, they, they, they
can look to become a,

614
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,000
a influencer that themselves
and try to reach out and

615
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,480
be a leader within their community.

616
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,720
Because what I've found in my study of
history is that there has never been a

617
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:37,360
single community that has ever had
too many leaders. So they, they,

618
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,120
they can look to, to start
with an influence right
there in their own community.

619
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:46,280
Uh, also one, what they can do is they,

620
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,120
they can forge relationships
with or on lawmakers or

621
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,840
different lawmakers. You
can walk into the, uh,

622
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,280
general assembly most days and,

623
00:38:57,340 --> 00:39:02,240
and have a civil conversation with
just about an, any, any lawmaker.

624
00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:04,600
In addition to that, you,

625
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,920
you can also start circulating and signing
your own petitions about the issues

626
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,240
that, that you care about. For example,
last year when I was drinking with, uh,

627
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:18,200
Americans for Prosperity, we,
we did a large petition, uh,

628
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,440
to support the Taxpayer Protection Act,

629
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,600
which limits taxes by limiting how
much the state government can spend.

630
00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:28,640
And you can circulate that
to raise lawmaker awareness.

631
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,480
And I think all those
ways are really important.

632
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,120
It's not voting alone that's gonna
get the issues that most people

633
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:40,760
care about, uh, across the
finish line. It's, it's being a,

634
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:45,320
a civil leader and being totally
engaged in the community and,

635
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,880
and finding those commonalities that I
think is the best way to participate.

636
00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:54,690
So, Zig, I know you have
your new radio show, uh,

637
00:39:54,690 --> 00:39:59,170
and you said that it's on
Tuesday evenings at 8:30 PM

638
00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:02,330
uh, or your podcast rather. Yes, sir.

639
00:40:02,330 --> 00:40:06,090
Tell us how we can find that podcast, uh,

640
00:40:06,110 --> 00:40:10,010
and how we can engage
you to learn more, uh,

641
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:13,490
about what you're doing in Pennsylvania
and your thoughts on the political

642
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:14,080
sphere.

643
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,410
That's right. So, well,

644
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:20,410
one way that you can engage is just
simply go to talk politics. There's a,

645
00:40:20,410 --> 00:40:22,770
there's a Facebook group right there that,

646
00:40:22,770 --> 00:40:27,170
that will allow you to interact with
other individuals, expand your network,

647
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:31,810
so that way you don't feel like you're
alone when you're talking politics.

648
00:40:31,810 --> 00:40:35,690
And you, you can also look at the, the,
the Facebook page on talk politics.

649
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:40,490
And I do have a YouTube
with a, a particular name.

650
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:45,110
I'll make sure to send, send you
that, but before the show, um,

651
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,313
is over.

652
00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:50,590
And tho those are the main ways that
I'm engaging people for right now.

653
00:40:50,850 --> 00:40:54,190
I'm looking forward to expanding
that in the future. But hey, if,

654
00:40:54,190 --> 00:40:56,470
if you wanna have a
conversation like what,

655
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:59,590
what we're having with State
Representative Dowling,

656
00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:01,710
join us on tech Politics.

657
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:07,680
Well, hey, uh, my guest today has
been Zigman Reichenbach. Uh, Zig,

658
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,760
thank you so much for being with us and
for sharing your thoughts and feelings

659
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:16,240
with my, uh, my viewers and my
listeners here today on commonalities.

660
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:17,320
Thank you so much, Zig.

661
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,880
Thank you so much.

662
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:26,960
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663
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:31,480
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00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,280
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