Episode 11 – #SustainableGiftGiving – Reduce, Reuse, Recycle – with Tracey Alexander Lynch

02Jan, 2023
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Thanks for joining us on Commonalities
Today. I'm your host, Matt Dowling,

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alongside a wonderful guest we have today,

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Tracy Alexandria Lynch. She's
an entrepreneur, an author,

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and a coach. Um,

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she has a lot of experience
in a wide range of fields.

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Everything from healthcare,
operations, finance,

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post-secondary education, nonprofits
and social services and telecom.

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She's a proven influential
leader who has mastered business

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mentoring, coaching strategy, funnel
development, fundraising strategies,

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forecasting and business model design.

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And she's a critical thinker,
natural entrepreneur,

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creative innovator with an
expanding and global mindset.

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Tracy, thank you so much
for being with us today.

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Thank you for having me, Matt. Appreciate.

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It.

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I want wanted to give you the opportunity
here at the start of the show to do a

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little bit of a self introduction.

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I know I hit some of the bullet
points from your biography,

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but why don't you tell us and my listeners
a little bit about yourself, Tracy?

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Well, I am originally from
Illinois, from Aurora, Illinois.

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Um, I was born and raised there, and, um,

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grew up in a, a modest home, um,

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that taught me a lot
about gardening. And, uh,

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I think my father was an
original ecos and, um,

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recycler even before we
knew what that was. Um,

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I loved education from
the very, very beginning.

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I taught myself to read when I
was three or four years old. Um,

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so I've always loved the written
word. I love teaching, sharing, ideas,

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innovation, invention,

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and I'm just getting to the point of my
life after I've, you know, I have, uh,

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I went to college for, uh,
communications and I took a,

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an MBA as well. Um, and I've, like you
said, I've worked in a variety of fields,

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but I've always been on a path where I
kind of just did the next logical thing.

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And it's just now that I'm
getting around to my passions

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and living this life the
way I really want to do it.

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And that includes accomplishing
what I was actually set here to

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do, not just the next thing.

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So I'm excited to have been the
recipient of this information,

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and I'm so happy to be passionate about
it because I think it's really a timely

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message.

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So today, I know we're going
to be talking about, uh,

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a new book that you have
out, and that is Dono, uh,

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creating a sustainable experience.

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And for those that aren't well
versed in Latin, like myself,

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Dono is Latin for, uh, for
gift. So we're talking about,

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uh, gift giving, gift giving,

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and creating a sustainable
experience through that. Um,

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why don't you tell me why you decided
to write this book and why you're so

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passionate about, uh, about this issue?

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Well, um, my husband and I, we share
a, a green mindset, and my son,

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who's a co-writer on the book also as
well, and he was raised that way. Um,

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I'm not exactly sure how
I stumbled into this exact

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concept, but I'm wired to solve problems,

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provide simple solutions to big problems.

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And somehow my concern about this,

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it just morphed into this book.

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And I began to study and we
began to bounce ideas around,

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and the problem was so much
bigger than we thought.

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And I think it's bigger
than most people think.

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And when I started talking to
people about it, they're like,

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they had no idea of the
magnitude of this issue, um,

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this. So I think that that's why, um,

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it's so important. It's so
important to me because the,

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the act of gift giving the way it
is today is non-sustainable for the

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planet.

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Back in the days of settlers and Little
House on the Prairie and Laura Engels

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Wilder, when Paul got a
hat and Laura got a trust,

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and mom got a handkerchief wrapped
in craft paper with a piece of

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twine.

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We have come so far from that
not providing what people need

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or even exactly what they want,

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but we shop with the idea
of surprise in mind of,

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of creating a wow factor. And
a lot of times that falls flat.

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And so the only way to
fix the gift giving issue,

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which causes the planet
so much havoc and waste,

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is to collect our consciousness
together and co and do one thing

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that solves the problem. Um,

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logistics is designed, go ahead.

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Oh, no, no, no. I, I
didn't mean to cut you off.

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I was just going to say kind of an
example of what you're talking about, um,

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in sustainable gift giving. Um, you know,

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I'll give you a good
example and a bad example.

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I have a nine year old and
a 10 year old that, uh,

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both got cell phones and
they got their second laptop.

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They're now on their second laptop.
They've got, their first ones about five.

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So now we have old laptops that have to
go someplace. They have to be discarded,

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and they're really not of any
value anymore. Um, you know,

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so maybe that's an example of
non-sustainable gift giving where we're

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buying these things that,
you know, are once, but it's,

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it's not really good
for the environment, um,

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that we live in afterwards.
I, I think maybe a,

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a good example of sustainable
gift giving is, uh,

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is something my wife has started to
do, and I, and I love these gifts.

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She has a cricket,

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and so she makes household goods for
a lot of our family members that are

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personalized in some way. Yeah. Um,

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but it's something that that individual
probably would've gone out and purchased

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on their own or would've
used, uh, otherwise.

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So it's not something that's
just grandiose and out here and

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extravagant. It's an item
that, uh, that's personalized,

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whether it be a cheeseboard or
Right. You know, a, a little cup.

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We did cheese Your bathroom to hold
Your, your stuff, things like that. Yeah,

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we did those for Christmas
know, so those are, yeah.

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So we, we took out the, uh,
the hobby of wood burning. Uh,

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so we cut out the stencil and the cricket
and then used the wood burner on the

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cheese boards. I'm not sure if you
did that a similar way, but, um,

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but so those are some examples of the
good and bad, as far as I see it in,

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in gift giving. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
So I didn't mean to cut you off.

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There. Oh, no worries. And I think
you're, you're absolutely right. Um,

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and we wanted, wanted to
be careful in this message,

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not to step on people's
toes and, and tell,

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and send the message that we
don't want you to be consumers.

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We don't want you to have the
things that you want and need.

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That is not the message. The message
is not to stop shopping to not,

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it is not to, um,

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to buy the things that your
children and your family needs.

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That is not the message.

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Our message is gifting is
a wonderful experience.

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It's built on tradition,
it's fun, it is enjoyable,

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and we want to keep that going.
We just want to do a better job.

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88% of people think that when you buy
a gift and someone takes it back to the

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store,

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that they are gonna put that on the
shelf and resell it to the next consumer.

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This is false.

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Most of those returns are
going to end up in a landfill.

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There are so many,
there's five, let's see,

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5.8 billion tons of returns end up in the

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landfill every year. So that's, that's
almost 6 billion tons of returns.

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There's 16 million metric tons of
CO2 that are used to produce those

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gifts that end up in the landfill.

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And there's another 16 million
metric tons of CO2 used

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just to move them to the
landfill. That's incredible.

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These gifts are made out
of glass, metal, plastics,

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natural goods, plant
materials, animal materials,

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and they're going straight
into the landfill.

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There's some gifts that
can never be resold,

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but the problem with this is,
and then I'll tell you what,

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what I think sustainable gifting
is, the problem with this is,

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is logistics was designed
to move from one,

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from the manufacturer to the consumer.

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It was not designed to
move from the consumer back

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to the manufacturer, not
even back to the seller.

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Once you do that,

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imagine everyone driving
to work on the highway,

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and except we're all driving backwards.

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Imagine the energy, the fear, the concern,

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how slow that would happen, the accident,

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and would we get the end
result that we're looking for,

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which is to arrive at the destination
safely that we intended at the time we

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intended to, is almost impossible.

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So we know that it costs a ma, uh, seller,

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66% of the sale price of
that item to go through the

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return process.

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So it many times is cheaper for the seller

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to simply say, keep it discarded,

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or they'll take the return as far as the
warehouse, and then they'll discard it,

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and then they will simply ship a new one,

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because it takes manpower at every
step of that rever reversal to make it

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happen. Does that make sense?

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It, yeah. In, in my, my, uh,

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listeners that shop on Amazon on a
regular basis, like I tend to do,

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um,

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they are probably have received a return
message at some point in time when

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you try to return something because it
comes in incorrect or it's not exactly

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what you were looking for, where
the seller is saying, Hey, you know,

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that's great, we'll refund
you, but just keep the item's.

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And it's because of the issue that
we're discussing right now. Uh,

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and really we're getting to
the topic of reverse logistics,

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but we have to get to our first
break. So when we come back,

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we'll be talking more about reverse
logistics and sustainable gift

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You're listening to commonalities
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fm, and any place you download your
favorite podcast, I'm your host,

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Matt Dowling. My guest today
is Tracy Alexandria Lynch.

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She's an entrepreneur, author, and coach,

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and she is a recent book out Donna,

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creating a Sustainable Experience.

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And we're talking about sustainable
gift giving. And this is, uh,

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this is kind of a,

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an appropriate time to talk about this
because we just went through the holiday

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seasons, whether you
celebrate Christmas or, uh,

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or if you're Jewish and
celebrate Hanukkah or even, uh,

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those that celebrate,
uh, Kwanza, et cetera.

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There's a lot of gift giving that
happens in the month of December.

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So January becomes the time when
a lot of returns are taking place.

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But, and, and I know we're gonna
get to this in a moment, uh,

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January is not the only time of
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are a problem. So I'll let you
get to that in just a moment. Uh,

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before we went to the break,

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we started talking about the
buzzword reverse logistics,

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and that's really all operations
that are related to the upstream

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movement of products and
materials. So, uh, Tracy,

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tell me a little bit more about
your vision, uh, your book,

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and the idea of, uh, of
sustainable gift giving.

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Okay, awesome. So we were,
we briefly touched on,

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uh, sustainable gifting and
what components go into that.

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And I, one, when we wrote this
book, we wanted to keep it short,

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punchy to the, to the facts,

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and we didn't wanna have a lot
of fluff in it so people would,

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it would be easier for
people to download and adapt.

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And even with a sustainable
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we want that to be easy as well.

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We don't want one more thing that people
have to do to make this happen. Um,

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people spend about 15 hours
shopping for Christmas gifts. Um,

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if they follow the principles in the book,
they can save about 75% of that time.

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There's all types of psychology
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I don't know what to get. I don't know
if they're gonna be happy with it.

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I don't know how much I should spend.

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I'm buying because they
bought me something. There's
so much that goes into it.

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But the bottom line of
sustainable gift giving is this,

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know your audience.

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Know what the person
you're buying for wants.

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And, uh, we, we, um,

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talk about this in the book by
using the folklore Santa, right.

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And we know that Santa is folklore,

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but Santa had it going on a little bit
because he did two very important things.

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He asked you exactly
what you wanted, right?

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And then.

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So you made your list, and he had it.

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And he had it. He knew the
brand, he knew the size.

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There was no getting this wrong.
He doesn't like Polkadots,

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she doesn't like stripes. That's
not what she asked me for,

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even if it's on sale.

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So he ch he asked what you want,
and then he checked his list,

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and then what did he do? He
checked it twice. Okay, period.

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But then, but then you run into
the problem as, as an adult,

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when Santa is taken out of the
equation, and now I have adult siblings,

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two sisters that I need to buy for,

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and I wanna get them something
that they want, that they need,

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that they'll appreciate mm-hmm.
<affirmative>, um, you know,

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but my mind works different than
theirs. So, you know, how do you,

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how do you suppose we have a crystal ball.

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I know you're saying know your audience,

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but do you have any tips on telling
us how to know what gifts are good

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gifts to give for people?

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Oh, absolutely. So it's, it's
very, very simple. We ask them,

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Santa doesn't surprise when those
kids get that they're not surprised.

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They're what? They're delighted.

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They're delighted that Santa listened
and they're excited to receive the gift.

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That's delight,

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surprise is trying to give
somebody something that
they would not expect you to

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get them. That's where
we are missing the ball.

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Anytime you hold up something on
your way out of TJ Max and you say,

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I wonder what they like this,
you have already put it down,

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sweetheart. You have already
<laugh> gone too far.

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Do not take that to the register with
you because there's a maybe in it.

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So we have worksheets in the book that
help you to get to know your person.

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And so in your, we're building a app
that'll have the same platform in it. Um,

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and it'll be your circle that's
around you. So you just keep your,

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your worksheet. It'll tell
you their colors. Fragrances,

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this is great for husbands who
can't remember their wife's sizes.

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They can't remember that
wonderful flower that she loves,

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that she has to ask her sister
and her friend. Well, is it a,

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is it a a rose or is it a,
you know, uh, hydrangea,

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no. He, he will already
know what fragrance.

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That just got, that just got me in
trouble because I said to my wife,

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do you know so-and-so's favorite
flower is, uh, a daffodil?

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And it is. And, and I know because this
person always buys on daffodil days,

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um, you know, an absurd amount of
daffodils for the cancer society.

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But my wife then said to me, well,

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we've been married for over 12 years,
what's my favorite flower? And,

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and I didn't know that's, there
you go. You know, so there you go.

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So this would help me.

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And then, then what's her, what's
her favorite fragrance? You know,

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is someone allergic to some things?
Um, if you have nieces, nephews,

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children keeping their sizes,
so grandma's not calling your,

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your sister saying, Hey, what,
what, um, size do you think? Well,

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I think he might wear, there we go,

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because we can't continue to
use Amazon. And online is our,

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is our testing site for gifts.

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We can't continue to use Amazon as our
dressing room, our virtual fitting room.

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Because when we, there's people
that will buy three different sizes.

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Grandma will be like, here,
I'm gonna buy three sizes,

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whichever ones you don't
need, send 'em back them back.

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The planet cannot sustain
that, that that activity.

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What we can sustain is creating
demand for what we actually want

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and will actually use. Because
as we talked about before,

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most of those gifts, those returns
are going into the landfill.

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So there's more birthdays on the
planet than there are that, that, um,

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we purchase for than we do at Christmas.

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Christmas is just the
biggest time of the year,

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but there's 8 billion
people on the planet, right?

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So if you have a percentage of them and
your people are buying gifts for them,

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then that really is the biggest
holiday is our collective birthday.

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So you have birthdays, you have
Mother's Day, father's Day, right? That.

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We need to, so that's why this
isn't just a problem once a year.

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This is a bigger problem than people
even can take into scope at this point

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in time, because you're constantly
buying a gift for, you know,

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I'm thinking baptisms,
communion, um, you know,

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those are just some of the things
we've been to recently. Yeah. Weddings,

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wedding gifts, um, engagement
parties. You know, there's,

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there's a lot of times when you want
to, when you want to give a gift. Um,

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but that's very difficult. And,

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and as we keep having this conversation
about sustainability, I go back to,

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you know, my childhood in the na
1980s and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um,

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at that point in time, before
recycling was where it is today,

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we would talk about, you know,
the three Rs, reduce, reuse,

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and recycle mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
And so how can we be sustainable, uh,

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within that scope with the gifts that
we're giving to other individuals?

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Well, for one, um.

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And, and I think that's the problem
that you're trying to address.

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Absolutely. Absolutely.
And I even say in the book,

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one great way to contribute to
sustainability is to buy things that will

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last. My family still has my father's
tools from when we were children.

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They still work. They didn't, the
handle didn't come off the hammer.

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Nothing happened to those tools
cuz they were made to last.

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I think that we live in a more, get
me a temporary fix for right now.

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I'll get the $2 hammer that
the head's gonna fall off.

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And then when that happens, I'll just
get another one. I like to tell people,

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once you've purchased
something, you've created a,

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you've created a demand for it. And
that demand is your responsibility.

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And once you buy that
item, you own it forever,

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no matter where it goes. I don't
care if it's a plastic bag,

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something you got at the
dollar store, aluminum foil,

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a gift, an electronic, whatever it
is, you're responsible for that.

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And so we can buy more sustainably,
meaning things that are, are sourced,

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uh, through recycling or
natural goods. We could do that.

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Everybody doesn't have to do
it. That's not everybody's jam.

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But what you can do is you can
be a responsible gifter by asking

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what people want, what they truly
desire. And on the flip side of that,

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you have to be a gracious gift receiver.
How many of us are just not gracious?

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Hey, what do you want for
Christmas? Oh my gosh,

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you don't have to get me anything.
You know, they're gonna go do it,

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but yet you resist. Why
don't you just say, Hey,

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these are some things I've been looking
at over the past year in a wide range of

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prices so that they feel comfortable.

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But also these are some everyday
things I use, like I use natural,

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um, cleaning products. I could always use
a basket of natural cleaning products.

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I use the same moisturizer day in and day

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out. Hey, why don't you
get me some glow recipe?

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You know what I mean? It's
wonderful to say, to be,

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you know, falsely modest and say,
oh, you don't have to get anything.

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You don't have to spend any money on
me. But when you know your father,

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your mother, your sister,
your brother, your child,

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your friend wants to serve you in
love and service through a gift,

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then be gracious to tell them what you
want versus letting them guess about it.

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And then you're like, man, has she
ever seen me in a purple sweater?

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I've never worn a purple sweater.
Why did she get me a purple sweater?

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Because she got it. Because you wouldn't
tell her what she really wanted.

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And so that's an aspect
that gr that graciousness is
the aspect of being able to

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reciprocal give in a
sustainable way as well.

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So we've talked about being a
gracious individual, accepting a gift,

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and we talked about being
a, uh, responsible, uh,

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gift buyer in thinking about
the sustainability of the
gifts that were gifting

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to other people. Um, we've
briefly touched on and,

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and we've kind of rode the wagon
around it a couple, uh, times.

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That's the problem of
reverse logistics. And, uh,

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as I was reading a little bit before
the show on reverse logistics,

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I found that, uh,

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that there are five Rs and I just talked
about the three Rs of sustainability,

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but there's five Rs to reverse
logistics that people talk about,

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and that's return,
resale, repair, replace,

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and recycle. Um, let's talk
before we go to the break,

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we only have about a minute,

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but let's talk about the
problem of re reverse logistics.

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Why doesn't it really work for the
retailers like Amazon or Walmart that are

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out there?

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It's too expensive. That's the bottom
line. It's too expensive. Like we said,

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it takes, um, the average, um,

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return process process costs
about 66% of the cost of that

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item. So in many instances it is not, um,

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advantageous for a seller
to do that. And also.

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Um, so it's, it's, it's just good
business that they're not doing.

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Absolutely. It's good business. And, um,

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sadly this is going to create further
problems by passing those costs onto

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us, right? Because if we
continue with these practices,

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those costs have to go
somewhere and they're gonna
get, uh, passed on to, to us.

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Um, there's even the,

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the kit that they're gonna take from
something I call cyber shoplifting,

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which means there's certain
businesses that will tell you,

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go ahead and donate that item.
Go ahead and keep that item.

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When people start to ingest that
information, there's gonna be a remnant.

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00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:46,600
And right now we're at about 6%

447
00:27:48,260 --> 00:27:51,730
of people returning gifts.
There's nothing wrong with it.

448
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They're just saying there's something
wrong with it that's cyber shoplifting

449
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because they know they're
gonna tell them to keep it.

450
00:27:58,380 --> 00:28:01,690
So I won't advertise those companies,
um, at all because I don't,

451
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I don't like mentioning
them at all. But they're,

452
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they're great companies and they're
trying to do the right thing.

453
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Sure. But we as the
consumer end up paying the,

454
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the final price because they have to
mark up the goods and services that we do

455
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pay for to be able to take
care of that. Hey, Tracy,

456
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we have to get in our first break, uh,

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or our next break will be back after
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528
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I'm your host Matt Dowling, alongside
an entrepreneur, author, and coach.

529
00:32:50,170 --> 00:32:54,880
Uh, really an expert in her field
that has written a recent book about

530
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,520
sustainable gift giving. Her
name is Tracy Lynch. And Tracy.

531
00:32:59,730 --> 00:33:00,080
Uh,

532
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,800
before the break we were talking about
reverse logistics and how it just

533
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,560
doesn't make any sense for big
retailers sometimes to accept the

534
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,960
returns. Um,

535
00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:15,440
and we started to talk a little
bit about the solution, uh,

536
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,360
making the decision.

537
00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:21,640
Is it just one more thing that
will take up people's time or is

538
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,400
this a, a good gift that we should,
we should gift to those we love?

539
00:33:25,650 --> 00:33:27,800
So why don't we pick up
the conversation there.

540
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:32,020
Well, this is not something
that's going to take up more time.

541
00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:35,060
We were very careful with that. This
is something that's gonna save time.

542
00:33:35,530 --> 00:33:40,340
It's also going to be something that
allows you to understand those that you

543
00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:43,540
care about more, what makes
them tick, who they really are.

544
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:45,980
A lot of times we think we know people,

545
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:50,660
but we really don't know really
their style or anything about

546
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,980
how they live their lives.

547
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,780
But as we get into the needs and
wants of people and use those to

548
00:33:56,780 --> 00:34:01,460
sustainably gift, we are gonna get
to know people and their brands.

549
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,380
And we're traveling our journey with
these people that are close to us.

550
00:34:06,380 --> 00:34:09,260
We're traveling this journey with
our families and our close friends.

551
00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:12,820
So why not get to know them
better and not go for surprise,

552
00:34:12,820 --> 00:34:17,140
but go for that gift that's
really going to mean something.

553
00:34:17,730 --> 00:34:21,580
It's going to add to their
life. And more than anything,

554
00:34:21,650 --> 00:34:26,260
it's going to be used Just because you
give someone a gift and they say they

555
00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:27,860
like it, doesn't mean
it's going to be used.

556
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,310
If they tell you they
need it and they want it,

557
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:36,270
then that is when you know it
will be used and cherished. So,

558
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:40,030
like I said, it's one simple
idea. Find out what people,

559
00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:44,190
find out what people want
before you spend money. Um,

560
00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:48,510
it's the best stewardship of your dollar.
It's the best stewardship for, um,

561
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:53,710
the, um, recipient, and it's the
best stewardship toward the planet.

562
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,870
So that's, that's a gift for everyone. Um.

563
00:34:59,790 --> 00:35:03,860
So if, you know, doing this
really doesn't take up, uh,

564
00:35:04,050 --> 00:35:06,580
a whole lot of extra time.

565
00:35:06,580 --> 00:35:10,820
It's not extremely
onerous or burdensome, um,

566
00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:15,100
to put in place and to do it
does take a little more time,

567
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:18,540
um, or brain power to
think about the individual,

568
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:23,260
to talk to the individual and ask
them what they want. But you know,

569
00:35:23,780 --> 00:35:27,220
whatever trade off you have for having
to do that kind of brain work mm-hmm.

570
00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:30,620
<affirmative> or that mental math
as to, uh, what the person wants,

571
00:35:30,810 --> 00:35:34,380
it's going to be a more
appreciated gift. Yes. And, uh,

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00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:39,000
and so ultimately I think that makes it
great not to mention the fact that it

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00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,480
makes you a good steward to the
environment and, uh, you know,

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00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,840
to the world that we live in
because we're not just filling, uh,

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00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,960
landfills with additional trash. And and
if you think of it that way, you know,

576
00:35:53,090 --> 00:35:57,360
do we want to give trash to those we love?

577
00:35:57,570 --> 00:36:02,080
Or do we want to give them a gift that
is really sustainable and wanted and

578
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,360
needed and going to be used?

579
00:36:04,070 --> 00:36:05,320
That's exactly right.

580
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,080
You could have written a book because
that's really <laugh>. That's,

581
00:36:09,350 --> 00:36:13,000
that's really what it's
about. Um, I'll say it again.

582
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,040
The way we are currently giving gifts

583
00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:21,120
is not sustainable for this planet.

584
00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:26,800
Not when over half of all gift
recipients are returning one

585
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,130
to two gifts a piece. That's
unreal. That's unreal.

586
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,330
That is now, now when we get to
the end of the day, uh, you know,

587
00:36:35,340 --> 00:36:39,210
we have to talk about practicality
in all things. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

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00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:42,170
you know, can we really
correct this problem?

589
00:36:42,260 --> 00:36:47,250
Is this something that we can fix? I
mean, it, it's gonna take just you and,

590
00:36:47,310 --> 00:36:49,770
you know, not just you
and me can go out and,

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00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:54,170
and fix our individual problems and this
whole problem go away. It's gonna take,

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00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:58,170
uh, discussions and education and, uh,

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00:36:58,170 --> 00:37:02,130
a large number of people being involved.
But can we at the end of the day,

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00:37:02,130 --> 00:37:06,050
accomplish the goal of being
more sustainable gift givers?

595
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,530
I love this question. I think
it's my favorite question, um,

596
00:37:10,530 --> 00:37:15,090
because I have all the hope in the
world that this can happen, um,

597
00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:16,930
with 8 billion people on the planet

598
00:37:18,930 --> 00:37:23,930
believe that there are enough
people that care enough to do

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00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:24,970
at least one thing.

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00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:29,130
And we're asking you
to do one simple thing,

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00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,610
know what your recipient wants before you

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00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:36,820
buy it, period.

603
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:41,900
With the goal of 100% satisfaction,

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00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:48,260
um, every time, the only time a gift
really should be returned nowadays,

605
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:49,140
um,

606
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:54,140
once we decide to accept
this concept is when

607
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:58,270
it malfunctions that hair dryer
you got, it just was a dud.

608
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,630
It didn't work. The screen was
cracked, it arrived damaged.

609
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:06,790
Those are ju justifiable
reasons to return a gift.

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00:38:07,090 --> 00:38:09,750
Not you didn't know the
size and you guessed at it,

611
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:14,230
not you were filling in gifts
with fluff. And most of them,

612
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:18,470
they're not gonna use. Um, I have, like
I said, all the faith in the world,

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00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:20,480
um,

614
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,170
I borrow from Malcolm Gladwell in
the tipping point that as we begin

615
00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:30,010
to infiltrate our consciousness
with these ideas and we

616
00:38:30,010 --> 00:38:34,410
connect it to the sickness that
our planet is enduring right now,

617
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,650
once we it comes, once we are able
to settle with that information,

618
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,010
I believe there are enough people that
are willing to do one simple thing to

619
00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:47,170
change this. And I believe
that that will, um,

620
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,370
spread throughout, throughout America.
I think that we're some of the biggest,

621
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,890
I don't think we are
some of the biggest, um,

622
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:59,560
gift givers in the world,
and I know it can be done.

623
00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:04,600
Um, I had someone contact me and
he said Christmas was a success.

624
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:07,600
We had zero gift returns. I didn't,

625
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,840
what he would do is he would fill in the
gifts with fluff because he wasn't sure

626
00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:13,240
if his wife was gonna like him.

627
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,600
So just in case he got her these
other things he said, he brought,

628
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:19,840
he bought no fluff and
he was really excited.

629
00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:25,160
And if that's all it takes is one
person to tell another person,

630
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:28,160
um, even if they just tell them,

631
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,390
this is what I want and this
is what I don't want, you know,

632
00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:34,310
it's not a tremendous amount of
time. If I give you the worksheet,

633
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:37,870
you could fill it out for me. I don't
have to fill 'em all out. Like, Hey,

634
00:39:37,870 --> 00:39:38,750
can you fill this out for me?

635
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:42,750
I wanna get you a gift Who's not gonna
fill the sheet out? Like, yes. I love,

636
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,750
um, hikeys and I love
Vanilla Candles. I mean,

637
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,710
telling, telling someone what
we want is a gift to the planet.

638
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,480
Being vocal, being truthful.

639
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,270
In, in taking care of the planet is, uh,

640
00:40:00,270 --> 00:40:02,350
something that we do for others.

641
00:40:02,350 --> 00:40:05,870
And as we are approaching
Martin Luther King Day here,

642
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:10,390
I I know that one of your favorite,
uh, quotes or life themes is,

643
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,150
uh,

644
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:15,870
life's most persistent and urgent
question is what are you doing

645
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:20,430
for others? And by being
more sustainable gift givers,

646
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,670
we are doing something for others.
We're taking care of our planet. And,

647
00:40:24,670 --> 00:40:27,830
and I think that's the crux
of the message that, uh,

648
00:40:27,830 --> 00:40:32,710
that we want to get a acrossed in
today's episode. You know, and, uh,

649
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:34,990
on a re recent episode, I had the, uh,

650
00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:36,950
young ladies from the
Fayette Chamber of Commerce,

651
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:41,430
and we were talking about local retailers
and where you could go get last minute

652
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:46,430
gifts. This was on an episode that
was, was just before, uh, Christmas.

653
00:40:46,810 --> 00:40:50,190
But you know, if, if you put
that thought into it, um,

654
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:53,550
this doesn't disenfranchise
any of those retailers.

655
00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:57,950
It doesn't mean that we're necessarily
spending any less money. The, uh,

656
00:40:57,950 --> 00:41:02,510
the country's gross domestic product
will still be the same. That's correct.

657
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,510
We are just being smarter in what
we are purchasing. And, you know,

658
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:10,230
I I I think about things that, uh,

659
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:13,870
that don't go into the landfill that we
could purchase through some of our local

660
00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:18,710
retailers and, uh, and to support
small business and the economy. Yes.

661
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,950
Uh, there are ways, there
are ways to do this.

662
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:25,910
We're down to just about three
minutes left in today's program.

663
00:41:25,930 --> 00:41:28,790
And before we go, I wanted to, uh,

664
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:32,550
let my listeners know where
they can purchase your book. If,

665
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:37,120
if this conversation has kind
of wet your appetite and you're

666
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,800
salivating you wanna know more, um,

667
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:44,880
as well as I believe your book includes
some of those example worksheets.

668
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,280
Am I correct? That's correct
in saying that, you know, yes.

669
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,840
So if they wanna purchase your
book, where can they find it?

670
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:54,280
They can go straight to
amazon.com. It's don,

671
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:58,760
it's like donut except with the m uh,

672
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,520
creating a sustainable gifting experience.

673
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:07,160
And the funding from this book
goes to create the Don app,

674
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,600
which will have all of the worksheet and
the questionnaires at your fingertips

675
00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:16,200
with it housed in there forever.
It's like your own personal,

676
00:42:17,010 --> 00:42:21,320
um, gift registry that
never dies and people can,

677
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,520
will be able to purchase from you
for you straight from that app.

678
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,120
So we're working on the app
now. And then everything from,

679
00:42:29,970 --> 00:42:31,200
uh, that we work on,

680
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:35,800
a portion of that goes into local
communities and charities that

681
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,840
serve children with learning
disabilities. So, um, we,

682
00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:42,520
our vision is to solve, um,

683
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,640
local problems by solving big
problems and just keep it going.

684
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:47,680
Just be going right around in a circle.

685
00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:50,520
So let's serve others
by serving the planet.

686
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,920
Let's serve the planet by serving
others. I think we, we can do it.

687
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,170
Absolutely. And you stole my final
transition from me. I was going to say,

688
00:43:00,230 --> 00:43:04,210
now tell me more about this app. So we've
already started talking about the app.

689
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,530
What's the anticipated, um,

690
00:43:07,410 --> 00:43:11,290
deadline that you have out there for
having the app ready? And when it's ready,

691
00:43:11,290 --> 00:43:16,290
will it be available, uh, in the app
store on, on mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh,

692
00:43:16,290 --> 00:43:20,250
Google, and uh, also on your iPhones?

693
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:22,330
Yes, it'll be available on both.

694
00:43:22,610 --> 00:43:26,650
We're looking to have a beta
test ready by, uh, March.

695
00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:31,170
Um, and if that goes well, we'll
proceed from there. Um, the,

696
00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:34,530
all the pages have been built out
all of the selections and choices.

697
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,170
It's kind of like Facebook met,

698
00:43:37,170 --> 00:43:41,210
Pinterest met the Amazon wishlist,

699
00:43:41,950 --> 00:43:45,610
and it's a beautiful app where
all your choices will be in there,

700
00:43:45,610 --> 00:43:48,890
the people in your close circle. This
will only be for your close circle.

701
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:53,850
So you won't be, you won't have 500
users. You may have 30 or 40 colleagues,

702
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:58,330
friends, family, so forth. And, um,

703
00:43:58,430 --> 00:44:01,810
the initial app to keep
your registry will be free.

704
00:44:02,270 --> 00:44:07,010
And then there'll be a charge for the
app if you want to include your tribe,

705
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:12,050
which I think that that's
what it's all about. So, um,

706
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:16,090
we're looking forward to
that. And this is a great way,

707
00:44:16,090 --> 00:44:19,970
this is a great way to b build
funding for something like that.

708
00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:21,263
I'm excited.

709
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,650
That is, it is, uh, a very
exciting, uh, prospect to look into.

710
00:44:27,870 --> 00:44:28,770
And honestly,

711
00:44:28,770 --> 00:44:32,800
before you brought this to my attention
before you were a guest on my show, um,

712
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,000
you know, sustainable gift giving wasn't
something that was on my radar, but,

713
00:44:37,170 --> 00:44:42,000
uh, I think our conversation today has
pointed out how important it really is.

714
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:42,790
Tracy,

715
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:47,120
I want to thank you for being on my
program today here on commonalities

716
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:48,080
and, uh,

717
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,800
I wish you the best of luck
and success with your new app.

718
00:44:53,140 --> 00:44:53,840
And, uh,

719
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,480
for those of you looking for
Tracy's book again on amazon.com,

720
00:44:58,820 --> 00:44:59,960
you can uh,

721
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:04,080
search for Dom creating
a sustainable experience.

722
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,313
Thank you.

723
00:45:12,110 --> 00:45:14,160
This has been commonalities,

724
00:45:14,430 --> 00:45:18,680
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725
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,520
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726
00:45:21,740 --> 00:45:25,240
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727
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:29,960
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728
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,640
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