1 00:00:01,420 --> 00:00:02,390 Starting now. 2 00:00:03,050 --> 00:00:07,270 Commonalities where guests find common ground through uncommon 3 00:00:07,290 --> 00:00:10,950 conversations, politics, religion, finances, 4 00:00:11,010 --> 00:00:14,550 all the topics your grandmother told you not to discuss with friends. 5 00:00:14,890 --> 00:00:17,510 And now your host, Matthew Dowling, 6 00:00:17,850 --> 00:00:20,590 and today's guests on commonalities. 7 00:00:23,900 --> 00:00:28,070 Well, thanks for joining us today on the FDS five 90 am 8 00:00:28,170 --> 00:00:31,630 1 0 1 fm, and everywhere. 9 00:00:31,630 --> 00:00:34,870 That you download your, uh, favorite podcasts. 10 00:00:35,130 --> 00:00:39,670 I'm your host Matt Dowling on commonalities alongside, uh, today's guest, 11 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:44,870 Natalie Duval. Uh, and Natalie is an author and, 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,390 uh, and has, uh, a couple different pieces in publication. Natalie, 13 00:00:49,390 --> 00:00:54,390 why don't you tell us, uh, a little bit about yourself and, uh, and about, 14 00:00:54,390 --> 00:00:55,590 uh, what you have going on. 15 00:00:56,500 --> 00:01:01,480 Hey, thank you, Matt. Um, and thank you for having me here. Um, you and I met, 16 00:01:01,550 --> 00:01:06,320 I think 15 years ago, something like that. Um, maybe 12 or something, 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,920 right when we, when I was published in my first kind of anthology. 18 00:01:12,370 --> 00:01:16,800 Um, so I'm a, a Jacqueline of all trades kind of. Um, 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,080 I'm a published short story writer. 20 00:01:19,950 --> 00:01:22,680 I also do write some nonfiction, 21 00:01:22,710 --> 00:01:27,040 especially now I'm a teacher and the director of an ed program. 22 00:01:27,370 --> 00:01:31,880 So now I do a little, um, kind of writing in those fields as well. 23 00:01:32,570 --> 00:01:34,560 Um, and also, you know, I think, you know, 24 00:01:34,590 --> 00:01:39,410 I just got off a term of school board last year when I write 25 00:01:39,530 --> 00:01:43,930 novel length books. I do write romance, um, 26 00:01:43,930 --> 00:01:47,730 but my short stories, you know, cover the gamut of things. 27 00:01:47,950 --> 00:01:52,650 And my last published one was in a charity anthology called like Sunshine 28 00:01:52,650 --> 00:01:56,170 After the Rain. And that was more like a women's fiction short story. 29 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,580 Now, you also, uh, professionally work as a educator, 30 00:02:03,940 --> 00:02:04,860 isn't that correct? 31 00:02:05,930 --> 00:02:09,340 Yes, I'm a high school English teacher. Yep. 32 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,870 So, uh, molding young minds, uh, you know, never easy work. 33 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,070 Uh, I'm sure, uh, I'm sure you may, uh, 34 00:02:19,070 --> 00:02:22,190 bring with you some, uh, opinions about, uh, 35 00:02:22,310 --> 00:02:27,230 about education or how things, uh, perhaps could be done, 36 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,710 um, maybe better in some of our areas. Uh, 37 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:33,190 any of those ideas you'd like to share with us today? 38 00:02:35,370 --> 00:02:37,180 Well, you know, I think about, 39 00:02:37,180 --> 00:02:41,300 I think a lot of people talk about right, 40 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:43,900 the school system and wishing it could be better, 41 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,860 but I'm sure you know the statistics on it too. 42 00:02:47,090 --> 00:02:49,220 When you pull individual communities, 43 00:02:49,330 --> 00:02:53,300 most communities are actually really happy with their school system. 44 00:02:53,830 --> 00:02:55,660 So we have this weird dynamic, 45 00:02:55,950 --> 00:02:59,880 whereas it's almost like the country as a whole is saying, Hey, 46 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,400 we need to change the school system, but that at an individual level, 47 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,760 we're actually quite happy with it. And I think that sometimes gets in our way. 48 00:03:08,190 --> 00:03:11,480 I think we do need to be moving towards more, and I'll use this word, 49 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,560 I know this is a word that maybe I shouldn't use because it's almost 50 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,000 inflammatory, but a more progressive type of school system. Um, 51 00:03:19,340 --> 00:03:22,520 and I mean that as progressive and we need to rethink how we grade. 52 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,560 We need to rethink how we promote students kind of things. But as a country, 53 00:03:26,710 --> 00:03:31,440 I don't think parents wanna do that. I don't think parents wanna say, Hey, 54 00:03:32,340 --> 00:03:36,820 maybe we should reconsider if age is really 55 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,740 how we consider when a student's ready for a grade level or something like that. 56 00:03:42,110 --> 00:03:46,940 Or that maybe the numeric grading system or percentage 57 00:03:46,940 --> 00:03:49,580 grading system. Maybe that's not something that's helpful. 58 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,540 And I don't know what your thoughts are on that too, you know, you're kind of, 59 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,580 you know, dealing with the parental end as well. So. 60 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,050 Yeah, I I mean, you definitely see that, uh, 61 00:04:03,050 --> 00:04:05,930 each learner is different, um, 62 00:04:06,460 --> 00:04:11,290 in the way they handle each discipline and what's right for one 63 00:04:11,290 --> 00:04:15,010 student is not necessarily right for, um, 64 00:04:15,270 --> 00:04:16,370 for another student. 65 00:04:16,370 --> 00:04:20,530 And I see that just with my two kids that are less than two years, 66 00:04:21,220 --> 00:04:24,610 um, difference in age from each other. Um, 67 00:04:24,610 --> 00:04:27,050 they have unique needs and, uh, 68 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:31,810 and so parents have to partner with educators to make sure those, 69 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:35,210 uh, unique needs are, are maybe being met. 70 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,210 Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. And I think too, 71 00:04:39,210 --> 00:04:43,450 I think on kind of a similar note to that, this day and age, 72 00:04:43,820 --> 00:04:46,210 we really are seeing a big push. Like, 73 00:04:46,210 --> 00:04:49,090 I don't know if you see these memes all the time, it's like, 74 00:04:49,090 --> 00:04:50,090 why do I need algebra? 75 00:04:51,030 --> 00:04:55,450 And I think we're actually starting to push away from some of the things that 76 00:04:55,450 --> 00:04:59,330 are core to being a well educated person. And I, 77 00:04:59,330 --> 00:05:02,850 I talk to my students about it all the time. You know, I'll say something like, 78 00:05:02,850 --> 00:05:05,730 here's a spreadsheet I created so you guys could compare your grades. 79 00:05:06,230 --> 00:05:07,850 And I used math to do that. 80 00:05:07,850 --> 00:05:12,330 And I think sometimes it came from a good idea that we're trying to push kids 81 00:05:12,330 --> 00:05:13,370 into career fields, 82 00:05:14,230 --> 00:05:18,650 but I think we're also then kind of losing some of the joy of just learning for 83 00:05:18,810 --> 00:05:23,770 learning's sake. And I think that might be why some joy is coming out 84 00:05:24,460 --> 00:05:27,610 careers. We really do need to focus on that. We really do. 85 00:05:27,610 --> 00:05:32,370 How can we focus on that and make kids still have joy in learning 86 00:05:32,450 --> 00:05:37,330 other things that maybe they won't use or maybe that they will use decades 87 00:05:37,330 --> 00:05:39,090 down the road and they don't know it yet. 88 00:05:41,170 --> 00:05:45,380 Well, and, and, uh, maybe I'll take some, um, 89 00:05:45,420 --> 00:05:48,500 ownership, while I'm not proud of this, um, 90 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:52,300 as kind of a political mindset that would come from, 91 00:05:52,530 --> 00:05:56,820 from where I am on the, uh, on the political spectrum, um, 92 00:05:57,180 --> 00:06:01,810 but there's almost a, um, a bad, uh, 93 00:06:01,810 --> 00:06:05,850 connotation that goes with academia. And, 94 00:06:06,030 --> 00:06:09,490 and I really hate to see that, um, you know, 95 00:06:09,490 --> 00:06:12,530 because academia is not a, a negative thing. 96 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:16,490 We have amazing discoveries, um, 97 00:06:16,830 --> 00:06:21,570 and we've moved forward as a society because people 98 00:06:21,570 --> 00:06:24,650 have taken time to, uh, 99 00:06:24,820 --> 00:06:29,490 to further educate themselves or to do research, uh, et cetera. 100 00:06:30,230 --> 00:06:31,050 And, uh, 101 00:06:31,050 --> 00:06:35,370 we live in a society that wants to demonize that academia sometimes. 102 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,330 Yeah. Yeah. I will say, you know, 103 00:06:38,330 --> 00:06:41,090 when I ran for school board the first time five years ago, 104 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,370 I kind of promoted myself that I have my doctorate in education and that I was 105 00:06:46,690 --> 00:06:49,810 familiar with multiple aspects of the educational system. 106 00:06:50,190 --> 00:06:54,410 And this last time when I ran, um, for reelection and I lost, 107 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:59,770 I actually got attacked quite a bit on being mocked 108 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,250 that, you know, I'm a doctor of education, 109 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:08,210 so I think that therefore I am better than you know, the other people. And it, 110 00:07:08,210 --> 00:07:11,930 it kind of took me aback in that, to be honest, um, 111 00:07:11,930 --> 00:07:15,770 that it was kind of this pushback against, um, my degree. 112 00:07:19,030 --> 00:07:21,520 Yeah. And we don't ever wanna, uh, 113 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,040 hold against hold education against an individual. It's, it's something that, 114 00:07:26,490 --> 00:07:29,000 um, can only help them to, uh, 115 00:07:29,370 --> 00:07:33,160 to further themselves or their organization as it would be. 116 00:07:34,310 --> 00:07:35,720 Yeah. Yeah. 117 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,000 My students and I were talking about that this week because we're reading 118 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,040 Dracula and in Dracula there's one American, 119 00:07:42,740 --> 00:07:46,040 and he's described as the stereotypical American, 120 00:07:47,060 --> 00:07:51,520 and he's described as well educated. And I think in the United States, 121 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:56,240 we should take pride that education is so important to us. Don't you think? 122 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,720 Like that is one of the things that makes us really, I think, stand out, 123 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,440 that we try to make sure that every single one of our students has access 124 00:08:04,730 --> 00:08:06,280 to fair education. 125 00:08:09,190 --> 00:08:12,520 Well, I think it's time we get our first break in. Uh, 126 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,840 that'll just take a moment or two when we come back. 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Uh, 203 00:13:03,340 --> 00:13:07,340 and we've talked about the educational, um, 204 00:13:07,610 --> 00:13:11,900 status here in the United States and some of the problems that, uh, 205 00:13:11,970 --> 00:13:14,100 that we're seeing. Um, 206 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,980 but we wanted to talk to you a little bit about, um, 207 00:13:17,980 --> 00:13:22,500 being an author and some of the work that you've done in the past. And, um, 208 00:13:22,610 --> 00:13:25,940 kind of, uh, a little bit about, uh, 209 00:13:25,940 --> 00:13:30,580 what someone who may be interested in starting to write, um, 210 00:13:30,580 --> 00:13:31,413 should do. 211 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,130 Yeah, sounds great. Um, my most recent, 212 00:13:38,140 --> 00:13:41,690 we talked a little bit about it before we got together, um, live here, 213 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:44,730 but my most recent work is in the charity anthology, 214 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,090 like Sunshine After Rain. It is by a publishing company that I love. 215 00:13:49,090 --> 00:13:51,010 It's called Raw Dog Screaming Press. 216 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:54,410 The editor is also an editor I love Heidi Ruby Miller. 217 00:13:55,150 --> 00:13:59,170 And this is an interesting one. This was a solicited anthology. 218 00:13:59,820 --> 00:14:01,850 So the editor Heidi, um, 219 00:14:01,850 --> 00:14:06,570 reached out and asked certain people to contribute to the anthology. 220 00:14:06,790 --> 00:14:08,930 And it's an interesting process, right? 221 00:14:08,930 --> 00:14:12,130 Because when someone asks you to write for them, you're like, yes, of course, 222 00:14:12,260 --> 00:14:14,330 because it takes out all the, 223 00:14:14,430 --> 00:14:19,370 the stress and pain of submitting and going through that kind of thing. 224 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,500 But then the call's very specific, the word length, the, you know, 225 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:29,220 thematic kind of ideas of the story. And so I immediately said yes to Heidi, 226 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,580 and then I had to think, well, what on earth am I gonna write about? Um, 227 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,180 and the premise, this was a charity anthology, um, 228 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:43,220 to help, um, a friend, um, with a cancer diagnosis. 229 00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:48,620 So the, the premise was, you know, it's called like sunshine after rain. 230 00:14:48,620 --> 00:14:52,920 So the premise is something that overcomes, and I was like, I don't, 231 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,520 that's not the kind of thing I write. I really am a romance kind of writer. 232 00:14:58,640 --> 00:14:59,500 And then, you know, 233 00:14:59,570 --> 00:15:04,100 I was just outside looking at our backyard and all the spotted lantern flies 234 00:15:04,330 --> 00:15:06,860 that were just bothering me, 235 00:15:06,860 --> 00:15:09,940 bothering our trees and everything like that. 236 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,300 And I kind of took a story about a single mother 237 00:15:14,510 --> 00:15:18,860 killing spotted lantern flies. And I am not a single mother. 238 00:15:19,010 --> 00:15:21,820 I have the best husband in the world, I really do, 239 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,060 and I have three really great children. But I took, 240 00:15:25,090 --> 00:15:28,860 what would it be like to have children similar to mine, 241 00:15:28,860 --> 00:15:32,020 doing similar incidents that mine do, 242 00:15:32,020 --> 00:15:33,980 like fighting over a bag of chips, 243 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,980 and how that would just really almost be like a triggering moment of someone 244 00:15:38,980 --> 00:15:41,540 who's trying to kill spotted lantern flies, right? 245 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:44,660 It's like pushing that rock back up the hill again and again and again. 246 00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:48,940 So that's how that story came to be. And it's, it's just interesting how, 247 00:15:49,820 --> 00:15:54,520 how those kind of stories generate themselves when it's nothing like, 248 00:15:54,650 --> 00:15:56,360 nothing like you would normally write, 249 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,880 nothing you would've ever thought to write. 250 00:15:57,950 --> 00:16:00,640 Just the inspiration we get from the normal world. 251 00:16:00,940 --> 00:16:03,840 And hopefully one day when my own children read the story, 252 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,000 they'll know that though I took inspiration from them, 253 00:16:06,180 --> 00:16:10,640 I'm not basing the character's emotional feelings about her children on how she, 254 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,240 how I feel about them. 255 00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:15,600 Yeah. And, and you know, it, 256 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,160 it is so interesting that you pulled that inspiration from, um, 257 00:16:20,540 --> 00:16:25,440 the day to day life of the Spotter Lantern fly. And, uh, you know, 258 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,080 I, I think about, uh, some of my background in the last couple years and, 259 00:16:30,250 --> 00:16:34,680 um, how I've seen, um, the Spotted Lantern fly now, 260 00:16:34,930 --> 00:16:39,320 uh, start to move into our area. Of course, that's a non-indigenous, 261 00:16:40,250 --> 00:16:44,160 um, uh, fly that, uh, 262 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,240 that came over on, uh, presumably container ships, uh, 263 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,240 to the United States. It can be very harmful. Uh, you know, 264 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,320 for the last several years I've represented, uh, 265 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,960 Somerset County where they make, um, maple syrup, uh, on the same, 266 00:17:00,130 --> 00:17:04,760 uh, level and, uh, with the same volume as, as maybe Vermont. 267 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,400 And people don't realize that at some point in time, but that, uh, 268 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,320 spotted lantern fly can be extremely dangerous to, uh, 269 00:17:12,410 --> 00:17:16,760 to those trees that are out in that area. Um, we also, 270 00:17:16,830 --> 00:17:21,760 I remember a couple years ago, uh, running for office and knocking on doors and, 271 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,120 uh, the cicadas were out and, uh, you heard them crunch, crunch, 272 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:30,280 crunch after, after walking down the, 273 00:17:31,210 --> 00:17:33,040 so, you know, it is, uh, 274 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,960 strange how we pull things from everyday life like that. 275 00:17:37,450 --> 00:17:40,460 Yeah. You know, one of my earlier anthologies, 276 00:17:41,210 --> 00:17:44,300 I had a story and I was, I remember the story and I, 277 00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:48,940 I would not tell you to read it now, but I was trying to moralize, so I was, 278 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,160 was trying to, you know, give this moral message. And I don't think that story, 279 00:17:53,470 --> 00:17:58,400 that kind of metaphorical story was as good as the story that I 280 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,320 just took from the mundane and tried to make it in life. 281 00:18:01,610 --> 00:18:02,960 So it's often interesting. 282 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,240 I think that's something that when we mature as a writer, 283 00:18:06,540 --> 00:18:09,840 and of course I'm not a mature writer at all, but when we, you know, 284 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,960 kind of develop and keep writing and writing, writing, we see that sometimes, 285 00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:15,440 you know, we used to try to, 286 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,960 we used to try to make these grand gestures in writing, and, 287 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,800 and I don't do that anymore, and I think I'm better because of that. 288 00:18:25,170 --> 00:18:25,990 So that's a, 289 00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:30,320 a tip or a piece of advice that you would pass on to those that 290 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:32,320 are, uh, just starting out. 291 00:18:33,130 --> 00:18:35,140 Yeah, I would, I, I really think it's, 292 00:18:35,140 --> 00:18:38,860 don't you think it's something of youth that we wanna have this big impact and 293 00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:41,300 we wanna try really hard? Um, 294 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:44,480 and I think sometimes the harder you try, 295 00:18:45,610 --> 00:18:50,430 the more difficult it is. So going more simplest, staying to, 296 00:18:50,740 --> 00:18:51,710 it's trite, 297 00:18:51,710 --> 00:18:55,510 but saying more to what you know and what you experience helps kind of, 298 00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:58,830 those things come out more than when you're trying really hard to. 299 00:19:01,110 --> 00:19:06,110 Sure, sure. And, uh, and, 300 00:19:06,130 --> 00:19:10,870 you know, and I, I think that's, uh, that is, that's great advice. Um, 301 00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:13,630 sometimes we work, uh, too hard to, 302 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,470 to build things up to a level, uh, that just, you know, 303 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:20,390 isn't natural. And, uh, 304 00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:23,870 and you can pull from those everyday experiences. 305 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,220 Yeah. Yeah. I agree. 306 00:19:28,540 --> 00:19:32,350 Well, we have to get one more break in here before, uh, the end of the program. 307 00:19:32,350 --> 00:19:35,990 When we come back, I wanna talk a little bit about, uh, 308 00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:37,870 what is in your future, 309 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,950 do you have any new pieces that you'll be working on or that you're starting to 310 00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:45,550 think about? 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And, 385 00:24:26,770 --> 00:24:29,570 uh, I wanted to know, you know, are there, uh, 386 00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:33,690 some projects that you may have that you're working on and, uh, 387 00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:35,250 planning on in the future? 388 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,010 Yeah, there are two things right now. I've ventured into poetry, 389 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:45,450 so I'm writing at least one poem a week. Um, I am not, 390 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,130 like, I would not say there are some people, man, 391 00:24:48,130 --> 00:24:50,410 they just spew out poetic language. 392 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,850 I really have to struggle and work hard for it. 393 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:56,890 So it's been a great challenge and I am sending out so many poems right now and 394 00:24:56,890 --> 00:24:59,890 getting so many rejections that it's been wonderful. Um, 395 00:24:59,890 --> 00:25:03,650 and then I also have what I almost call kind of like my, um, 396 00:25:03,650 --> 00:25:07,010 Outlander Diana Gabel Don, um, project. 397 00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:11,170 I'm finally writing down a book that I've just loved the story for ages, 398 00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:14,770 but is not necessarily, I don't know if you know the background of Outlander, 399 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,090 when she submitted the novel, 400 00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:22,050 she got rejected oodles of time just because it was so different than everything 401 00:25:22,050 --> 00:25:26,290 else. So that's when I'm kind of working on, I'm kind of getting away from, 402 00:25:26,350 --> 00:25:27,770 you know, kind of the, 403 00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:33,290 the format or formula of most ro most romance novels that 404 00:25:33,290 --> 00:25:36,290 are being published and doing more of a fantasy type piece. 405 00:25:36,540 --> 00:25:39,610 So I'm working on both of those things right now, and honestly, 406 00:25:39,610 --> 00:25:43,290 I'm just enjoying writing and that's just nice <laugh>. 407 00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:44,930 It's just nice to enjoy writing. 408 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,740 You know, you spoke a little bit about, uh, 409 00:25:48,740 --> 00:25:53,540 getting those rejection letters back from the publishers. Um, 410 00:25:53,540 --> 00:25:58,460 you know, how does that deal on with one's psyche and, 411 00:25:58,460 --> 00:26:03,140 you know, how do you accept that kind of, that feedback as a gift perhaps, 412 00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:08,500 um, and, uh, and use it to improve and, and to, uh, 413 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:09,940 to make things better in the future? 414 00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:16,180 Well, I think you have to go through that initial period of thinking, 415 00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:17,140 I'm gonna send this out, 416 00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:20,740 and I'm gonna be that person who gets this bidding more, 417 00:26:20,740 --> 00:26:23,660 coming over their work that first time they send it out. 418 00:26:23,660 --> 00:26:28,500 Because I think you need to realize that really only happens to like one 419 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:32,140 person, and it, it knocks you down and then it takes a little while. 420 00:26:32,290 --> 00:26:36,740 I've had some great mentors that really talk about how 421 00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:39,420 success is getting a rejection letter, 422 00:26:39,550 --> 00:26:42,740 because that means you're one step closer to being accepted. 423 00:26:42,980 --> 00:26:46,560 And I've seen that in my own career. When I got my agent, 424 00:26:48,290 --> 00:26:52,800 he initially had, um, he had rejected the piece, 425 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,200 I wrote him and said, but hey, if you ever write anything again, send it to me. 426 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,360 And I sent it to you. 427 00:26:58,540 --> 00:27:03,480 And if I had taken that rejection from him on what at the time was a terrible 428 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,210 novel, 429 00:27:04,210 --> 00:27:08,760 if I had taken that rejection to heart and never sent him my next novel, 430 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,040 I would've never gotten my first agent. So I really, 431 00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:16,880 I think I'm at a place now where really I want an 432 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,840 acceptance, but a rejection is like, 433 00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:22,160 I'm one step closer and I'm doing what I need to do, 434 00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:26,320 so I'm being successful in really what's the hardest part, 435 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,000 which is writing and sending. 436 00:27:33,330 --> 00:27:38,110 And uh, and, and I guess, you know, just utilizing that feedback is, 437 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,750 uh, is something that, 438 00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:43,270 that helps you ultimately on the journey of improving. 439 00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:47,750 Yeah. And every time, you know, every time you look at something you've written, 440 00:27:47,940 --> 00:27:51,670 I know you know this too. Every time you re look at something you've written, 441 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:52,830 when time has passed, 442 00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:57,550 you have new eyes and you can come back refreshed and you can alter it and you 443 00:27:57,550 --> 00:27:58,383 can make it better. 444 00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:02,950 Absolutely. And, and you know, 445 00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:06,830 I know I've looked at things that I've written in the past and, uh, 446 00:28:06,860 --> 00:28:10,630 really questioned was that me inside, uh, 447 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:15,470 inside that shell. But, uh, it was writing at the moment because things do, 448 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,590 uh, change a great bit from, from time to time. 449 00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:20,710 They really do. 450 00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:24,470 So before we get to the, before we get to the end of today's program, 451 00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:27,350 I want to give you an opportunity to get, uh, 452 00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:29,310 your contact information out there. 453 00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:34,150 If someone is interested in reading something that you've written, um, 454 00:28:34,150 --> 00:28:36,950 or if they wanna learn more about you professionally, 455 00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:38,590 how can they go about doing that? 456 00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:42,560 You can find me. I know a lot of people at use Facebook. 457 00:28:43,030 --> 00:28:47,800 I have my writer's page, which is Natalie Duval's Writer's page, 458 00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:51,200 and I also have my educational page, 459 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,880 which is Educational Overhaul with Dr. Duval. 460 00:28:55,410 --> 00:29:00,280 So both of those, Natalie Duval's writer Page and Educational Overhaul with Dr. 461 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,560 Duval. You can also email me on the email I use for all my writing, 462 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,200 which is Natt 4 4 4 gmail. 463 00:29:12,970 --> 00:29:13,860 Okay. Natalie, 464 00:29:13,860 --> 00:29:18,180 thank you so much for being with us today and joining us for commonalities 465 00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:20,980 this show where guests, uh, 466 00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:25,700 find uncommon conversations and, uh, common ground. 467 00:29:25,790 --> 00:29:30,500 Through those, we wanna thank you for being a guest with us today. And, 468 00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:35,140 uh, we hope that you take care and have a great holiday season. 469 00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:43,080 This has been commonalities, 470 00:29:43,390 --> 00:29:47,640 a show where guests find common ground through uncommon conversations. 471 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,520 Copyright 2022 Coordinated 360, 472 00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:54,200 all public rebroadcast should be done with prior written approval from Matthew 473 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,800 Dowling. All requests should be sent to info@coordinatedthreesixty.com. 474 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600 Thank you for listening to commonalities.
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