1 00:00:00,310 --> 00:00:01,240 Starting now. 2 00:00:01,940 --> 00:00:06,160 Commonalities where guests find common ground through uncommon 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,800 conversations, politics, religion, finances, 4 00:00:09,860 --> 00:00:13,480 all the topics your grandmother told you not to discuss with friends. 5 00:00:13,820 --> 00:00:16,480 And now your host, Matthew Dowling, 6 00:00:16,700 --> 00:00:19,480 and today's guests on commonalities. 7 00:00:22,790 --> 00:00:26,920 Well, welcome to another episode of Commonalities. I'm your host, Matt Dowling. 8 00:00:26,980 --> 00:00:28,160 And, uh, I have. 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,440 A, a guest with me today that is, uh, not just a former colleague, 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,400 but a former friend, or actually, I guess we're still friends. 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,040 We're current friends, buddy Stein. 12 00:00:37,270 --> 00:00:40,600 Yeah, we're a current friends, uh, former colleague, uh, 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,200 representative Aaron Bernstein, north of the Pittsburgh area in, uh, 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,600 the district that he represents. 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,440 And I believe your district number just changed with reapportionment, is that. 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Correct? It did, Matt. Yeah, it was, uh, 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,440 we were previously the 10th legislative district, 18 00:00:54,620 --> 00:00:57,760 and that had areas of Beaver Butler and Lawrence Counties. 19 00:00:58,300 --> 00:01:01,080 And now we are in, uh, 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,040 just Lawrence County and Butler County. And we're currently the eighth district. 21 00:01:05,130 --> 00:01:08,360 So, um, you know, uh, a little bit of the district change, 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,640 and obviously that happens every 10 years as you're well aware. Uh, 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,040 constitutionally required where the districts change and we kinda re even up 24 00:01:17,350 --> 00:01:21,320 across the board and across the commonwealth and across this country. So, uh, 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,240 we're really excited about our new district, a lot of agriculture areas, which, 26 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,960 as you know, I have a background in and really excited to be there. 27 00:01:29,370 --> 00:01:34,070 Now, in addition to, uh, you know, being a farmer and, uh, 28 00:01:34,410 --> 00:01:38,910 and things like that, you've also had success in business. You've, uh, taught, 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,870 uh, at the collegiate level. 30 00:01:41,090 --> 00:01:44,510 Why don't you give us a little bit of your personal background before we get 31 00:01:44,510 --> 00:01:46,150 into, uh, any of the politics of. 32 00:01:46,150 --> 00:01:48,870 Today? Yeah, absolutely. And thanks Matt. And obviously, 33 00:01:48,870 --> 00:01:52,390 thank you so much for having me on this show. I, I love podcasts. Uh, 34 00:01:52,390 --> 00:01:55,390 the only thing I was disappointed was you said I had to put my camera on, 35 00:01:55,390 --> 00:01:58,710 and I know I have a face Greek for radio, so, uh, 36 00:01:58,710 --> 00:02:02,630 hopefully most people are listening just to the podcast piece and not the 37 00:02:02,630 --> 00:02:06,470 actual, uh, picture of me. But, um, yeah, so my background is, 38 00:02:06,470 --> 00:02:10,630 I was actually born and raised in Minerva, Ohio, a little farm town, uh, 39 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:12,310 in Stark County. Uh, 40 00:02:12,310 --> 00:02:15,390 very close to the football Hall of Fame for those that are familiar. 41 00:02:15,390 --> 00:02:17,710 And by the way, from, if you're on Western pa, 42 00:02:17,710 --> 00:02:19,950 you ought to take a trip over there. It's a real short trip. 43 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,560 My little guy loves it. And, uh, 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,880 ultimately moved whenever I was a freshman in high school to Newcastle, 45 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,000 Pennsylvania. I graduated from Union Township, uh, 46 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,640 union school district in Union Township. Went on to Penn State, uh, graduated. 47 00:02:35,010 --> 00:02:38,120 Uh, then I went, I really worked in, uh, 48 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,480 human capital management in which we worked with companies. 49 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,900 I worked for a company called a D p and that company, we worked with company, 50 00:02:46,030 --> 00:02:49,580 we worked with them on issues like payroll, tax filing, 51 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,020 any compliance issues, employees clocking in and out. 52 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,140 And I always tell people it was the, it was the craziest job I ever had. 53 00:02:57,210 --> 00:03:01,600 They throw you to the wolves, about 15% of people make it. Uh, 54 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,720 you either sink or swim and you're out knocking on doors with companies that 55 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,200 have between one and 10 employees and the people you're trying to get them to 56 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,480 fire their mother from doing their payroll and their small business and hiring 57 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,360 you. Uh, so if you can do that, you, you're doing okay. Uh, 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,560 rose through the ranks there at ADP, 59 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,630 left for a short period of time to go to a startup company. Uh, 60 00:03:23,630 --> 00:03:28,510 we grew that company from about 80,000 in revenue to about 800,000 in annual 61 00:03:28,510 --> 00:03:31,470 revenue over a 20 month period. 62 00:03:31,780 --> 00:03:35,550 Came back to ADP in which I worked with, um, 63 00:03:36,180 --> 00:03:38,270 very large companies, US Steel, 64 00:03:38,510 --> 00:03:42,870 84 lumber companies like that on their human capital management services. 65 00:03:43,330 --> 00:03:46,150 And then Matt, I said, you know what? I want to do public service. 66 00:03:46,150 --> 00:03:51,110 I'm interested in some of these different things. And I, I, I went to a, 67 00:03:51,110 --> 00:03:54,750 and I'll shorten the the story for you, but I went to a, uh, 68 00:03:54,870 --> 00:03:57,990 small municipal building of where I'm at, 69 00:03:57,990 --> 00:04:00,990 which is New Beaver Borough in a meeting. And I said, Hey, 70 00:04:00,990 --> 00:04:04,070 maybe I wanna run for council or local town mayor. Right? 71 00:04:04,790 --> 00:04:09,230 Obviously not a full-time thing. And I went there, I came home and my wife said, 72 00:04:09,230 --> 00:04:12,030 Hey, you think you're gonna do it? I said, no, these guys are doing a great job, 73 00:04:12,030 --> 00:04:14,270 right? They're doing a really good job at the stuff they're doing. 74 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,790 So I started just peeking around and I said, you know what, 75 00:04:16,790 --> 00:04:19,110 maybe I'll run for state representative. Uh, 76 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:22,950 they told me I could never win the Republican nomination. The party was, uh, 77 00:04:23,140 --> 00:04:27,150 squarely behind another person. We went on in a three-way race, 78 00:04:27,150 --> 00:04:31,910 and we were victorious in that race. 60, uh, 75 to 16 to nine. 79 00:04:32,290 --> 00:04:34,870 And then they said, well, no way you can beat the incumbent. 80 00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:39,190 He's been here for a decade. And we went on to win that race by 16.9%, 81 00:04:39,190 --> 00:04:42,830 and that was in 2016. And I'm really fortunate, um, 82 00:04:42,830 --> 00:04:45,990 that my 65,000 bosses, and you and I have talked about this, 83 00:04:45,990 --> 00:04:47,670 I call my constituent, my bosses. 84 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,230 My 65,000 bosses have continued to elect me in not only 16, 85 00:04:52,490 --> 00:04:56,030 but 18, uh, 20, and then just recently in 2022. 86 00:04:57,570 --> 00:05:01,820 Well, congratulations on the, uh, the reelection and, uh, 87 00:05:01,980 --> 00:05:05,860 the new district that you have through reapportionment. Now, 88 00:05:05,860 --> 00:05:10,740 this has been quite an election cycle because if you asked me 89 00:05:10,740 --> 00:05:12,820 before we went into things, 90 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,380 how things would end up shaking out for the Democrats and the Republicans. 91 00:05:18,380 --> 00:05:21,860 Yeah. Uh, looking purely at party politics, um, 92 00:05:22,510 --> 00:05:24,660 in this year's election cycle, 93 00:05:25,210 --> 00:05:29,220 I would've thought that the Republicans would've come out, um, 94 00:05:29,250 --> 00:05:30,780 strong victors. Uh, 95 00:05:30,780 --> 00:05:35,460 I wasn't sure that we had the ability to pull off, uh, 96 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:38,260 the governor's mansion win here in Pennsylvania, 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,620 but I did think that we would have a US Senate seat. Um, you know, 98 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:44,940 I thought that race would go a little bit differently. 99 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,100 And what really shocked me was what's happened in the Pennsylvania House. 100 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:51,120 And, uh, 101 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,980 and that continues to kind of be a point of discussion because, you know, 102 00:05:56,130 --> 00:05:57,550 things aren't settled. 103 00:05:57,550 --> 00:06:01,310 So let's talk the numbers and what's going on in the Pennsylvania House of 104 00:06:01,310 --> 00:06:01,990 Representatives. 105 00:06:01,990 --> 00:06:06,430 Sure. So 203 members are in the Pennsylvania House of Representatives. Uh, 106 00:06:06,430 --> 00:06:08,390 you and I have worked on a bill when we were there. 107 00:06:08,390 --> 00:06:13,070 I think we both think that's far too many. Um, and, uh, in, in my world, 108 00:06:13,070 --> 00:06:16,070 less politicians you have out there, the better. I think that's a, 109 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:19,630 that's a big win, uh, if we could ever get that reduced. But, um, 110 00:06:19,630 --> 00:06:21,990 it's tough to get people to vote themselves out of a job, 111 00:06:22,630 --> 00:06:26,990 although you and I tried very, very hard to, to make that happen. And we've. 112 00:06:27,070 --> 00:06:29,990 Voted for it before, uh, both of us. But <laugh>. 113 00:06:35,870 --> 00:06:40,360 Uh, Matt, you there? Yeah, I'm here. Okay. Sorry. Something tripped over on my, 114 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,600 uh, on my phone there. Um, oh, that's okay. But, uh, yeah, so, 115 00:06:44,770 --> 00:06:47,240 so 203 elections there. 116 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,080 The Democrats won 102 of those election. 117 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,440 The Republicans won 101 of those elections. Now, interestingly enough, 118 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,480 although they won 102 of those elections, one of the individuals, uh, 119 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,320 is deceased. He, he was dead when, when he ran, um, 120 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,680 because he, he, he died of cancer. Uh, very good fellow, by the way, 121 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:08,040 and Tony. 122 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:08,600 DeLuca. 123 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,520 Great guy, great guy, great guy. Uh, by the way, we, we, 124 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,720 we agreed on about nothing on policy, uh, but about everything, I think, 125 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,880 in terms of life. And, uh, he's, he's a good man and very good man. Um, 126 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,480 so that makes it 1 0 1, 1 0 1. 127 00:07:21,740 --> 00:07:25,560 And then two other Democrats were elected that will never be sworn in. 128 00:07:25,620 --> 00:07:29,640 And those two Democrats were a person that won for Congress and then a person 129 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,260 that won for Lieutenant Governor. So in summary, 130 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,860 now Republicans have 101 members. 131 00:07:37,340 --> 00:07:41,260 Democrats have 99 members with three special elections coming up. Now, 132 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:44,620 we could spend the next hour talking about how many of those special elections 133 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:47,620 are gonna be and what's the situation with that. Um, 134 00:07:47,620 --> 00:07:49,660 but basically ours have 1 0 1, 135 00:07:49,660 --> 00:07:53,780 theses have 99 Republicans will have a majority for a period of time. 136 00:07:53,780 --> 00:07:57,580 Whether that period of time is about one month or whether that period of time 137 00:07:57,580 --> 00:08:01,420 extends to as much as four months, we don't know until those special elections, 138 00:08:01,420 --> 00:08:04,380 the courts determine when those special elections will actually happen. 139 00:08:05,030 --> 00:08:08,460 So what we do know is that out of 20 months or 24 months, 140 00:08:08,770 --> 00:08:11,220 that Republicans will have that, you know, 141 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,460 one or two months or as many as four months out of that 24 month period. 142 00:08:16,010 --> 00:08:19,070 And then we're gonna have a change in power in terms of who's in the majority. 143 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,780 And, you know, I, I think that, uh, 144 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,900 the point that I wanna make is that I feel that the Democrats are being a 145 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:33,820 little bit presumptuous. Now that being said, I think that, uh, this, 146 00:08:34,550 --> 00:08:39,540 if it wasn't, I don't know what would be a wake up call for the Republicans, 147 00:08:39,750 --> 00:08:44,180 uh, that are in leadership, both in the house and in the state party. 148 00:08:44,830 --> 00:08:48,900 Um, because the, the special elections that are out there, 149 00:08:49,190 --> 00:08:52,740 if we had to throw darts at a board right now and pick who would win, 150 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:57,240 would probably go to the Ds. And so it's, it's likely, and, you know, 151 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,200 I'll say this, you don't have to agree with me, 152 00:08:59,340 --> 00:09:03,320 but it's likely that the Democrats will be in the majority in the Pennsylvania 153 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,680 house. Um, but I do think it's a, 154 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:10,440 a little presumptuous without seeing what the final numbers, uh, come down to, 155 00:09:11,050 --> 00:09:15,080 uh, that the Democrats are, are claiming victory and, uh, 156 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,720 ready to name a speaker and. 157 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,680 So forth. Yeah. So if I could, let's address those three things separately, 158 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:22,760 because I think we talk about why did it happen. 159 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,400 And that was one of the things you talked about. 160 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:28,120 You talked about the three elections, uh, or I'm sorry, that, um, 161 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,920 you talked about the Democrats being presumptuous and saying that they're in the 162 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,360 majority. And then also you talked about the three elections that are out there. 163 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,880 So let me handle the easiest one first. Uh, 164 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,120 there are three special elections that are gonna happen. 165 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:45,040 Republicans have absolutely zero chance to win two of those. Uh, the other one, 166 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,120 they're a very, very, very strong, uh, 167 00:09:49,870 --> 00:09:54,800 underdog. A very, very major underdog. Listen, at the end of the day, 168 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,600 um, you're not winning. Two, we know that. Um, the other one, 169 00:09:58,950 --> 00:10:02,160 I think it'd be very, very difficult to win. I don't see it happening, 170 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,080 but it could happen. So, you know, 171 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,920 ultimately we're gonna end up with a 1 0 2 to 1 0 1 majority, 172 00:10:09,370 --> 00:10:12,400 uh, with either Republicans or Democrats being in charge of that. 173 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:16,480 And that's probably the Democrats, right? That's what you just said. 174 00:10:16,890 --> 00:10:20,720 So secondly, let's talk about the presumption. And this makes no sense to me, 175 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,440 Matt, listen, you and I aren't the smartest guys in the world, 176 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,600 and I can say that cuz we're really good friends. Um, and you know, we, 177 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,880 we've had a lot of conversations over our, our time of being together. 178 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,840 And I really enjoy you and your friendship. Um, you know, me, 179 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,720 I'm a pretty straight shooter. Uh, 180 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,540 I don't know how in the world that anyone can think that the number 181 00:10:39,540 --> 00:10:43,500 99 is greater than the number 101 that just doesn't add up to me. 182 00:10:43,750 --> 00:10:47,780 So Democrats saying that they're in the majority is clearly inaccurate. Uh, 183 00:10:47,780 --> 00:10:50,060 we don't elect parties in this country. So they say, well, 184 00:10:50,060 --> 00:10:52,100 the party won a hundred, two 11, it doesn't matter. 185 00:10:52,150 --> 00:10:56,940 We elect people in this country, and you can, if you don't want to do that, 186 00:10:56,940 --> 00:11:00,380 you can go ahead and move to England. Then they basically elect parties in that, 187 00:11:00,380 --> 00:11:01,150 in that country. 188 00:11:01,150 --> 00:11:05,510 So Republicans are gonna have the majority for a short period of time, 189 00:11:05,510 --> 00:11:08,990 and then more than likely Democrats will have that majority. Uh, 190 00:11:08,990 --> 00:11:11,790 you have Joanna MCC Clinton that's going around saying, look, 191 00:11:11,790 --> 00:11:14,430 I'm the acting speaker, I'm the acting speaker. Uh, 192 00:11:14,430 --> 00:11:18,190 there's no such thing as an acting speaker. It doesn't exist. And, 193 00:11:18,190 --> 00:11:19,950 and I think one of the things that, uh, 194 00:11:19,950 --> 00:11:24,190 I've always been passionate about since I very first started is we're gonna tell 195 00:11:24,190 --> 00:11:27,150 the truth. And sometimes that truth makes people uncomfortable, 196 00:11:27,450 --> 00:11:29,470 and sometimes that people don't like that, 197 00:11:29,470 --> 00:11:31,350 but we're always gonna tell the truth. 198 00:11:31,850 --> 00:11:34,550 And the truth is that there's no such thing as acting speaker. 199 00:11:34,550 --> 00:11:37,110 The truth is that Republicans currently have the majority. 200 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:39,990 Then the truth is that very, 201 00:11:40,020 --> 00:11:44,670 very soon the Democrats will have the majority probably, uh, 202 00:11:44,670 --> 00:11:48,630 in the Pennsylvania State House of Representatives. So that covered one and two, 203 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,510 if I could go into number three of what the heck happened, I, I'd be happy to. 204 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:54,200 Is that where you'd like me to go next? 205 00:11:54,430 --> 00:11:55,920 Sure. Yeah, yeah. Let's take. 206 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,680 It there. Yeah. Well, I know this is only a 40 minute, uh, show. So, um, 207 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,920 <laugh>, but, uh, listen, I, I think twofold on that, uh, number one, I'm gonna, 208 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,560 I'm gonna talk about the way that things are done in Harrisburg. 209 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:13,000 And if you get elected to run in Harrisburg and you get elected and you run 210 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:13,833 on certain things, 211 00:12:14,380 --> 00:12:17,120 you ought to be telling people the truth about what you're about. 212 00:12:17,660 --> 00:12:21,160 And so many times you and I have been in the caucus room for those that are 213 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,080 listening that don't know what this is, uh, 214 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,840 the caucus room is where a particular party gets together at this case with, 215 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,400 with Matt and I was the Republicans, 216 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:32,840 and we talked about bills that were coming up and when we should run 'em and how 217 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,400 people are gonna vote and things like that. 218 00:12:34,540 --> 00:12:38,440 And you basically hash it out amongst your, you know, amongst your teammates, 219 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,080 right? Matt, how many times were you in that room? 220 00:12:42,340 --> 00:12:45,480 And people would stand up consistently and say, well, 221 00:12:45,630 --> 00:12:47,440 this is a tough vote for me. 222 00:12:50,260 --> 00:12:53,320 And, and, and you know, you mentioned that, 223 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,840 and I don't mean to veer off of where you were going, 224 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,680 but I remember a particular time when you got up following someone saying 225 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:05,080 that and said, we get paid to take tough votes. Okay? So, 226 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,680 and you know, that's something that I always believed as. 227 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:12,320 Well. So it, if I get pushed back, I said a little bit different. I said, 228 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:13,760 we get paid to take votes, 229 00:13:14,670 --> 00:13:19,050 not to take tough votes cuz there's no such thing as a tough vote. 230 00:13:19,540 --> 00:13:21,370 Because at the end of the day, what, 231 00:13:21,370 --> 00:13:25,650 what people mean by a tough vote is this may make someone angry at me. 232 00:13:25,650 --> 00:13:29,290 This may make somebody upset. My phone may ring. Matt, 233 00:13:29,470 --> 00:13:33,410 you got 65,000 bosses, okay? They elected us, 234 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,490 they elected you, they elected me to go to Harrisburg and do something, darn it. 235 00:13:38,830 --> 00:13:42,650 And, and they elected us to take votes. We were paid to take votes, 236 00:13:43,250 --> 00:13:46,150 and that is what we receive our salary of what, 237 00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:48,590 a hundred thousand dollars or whatever it is, right? 238 00:13:48,590 --> 00:13:53,110 Which is pretty darn good to go and do the job of. And, and, 239 00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:57,270 and if you remember, I didn't make too many friends after that speech. Uh, 240 00:13:57,270 --> 00:13:58,470 and if I remember correctly, 241 00:13:58,470 --> 00:14:01,750 I believe that I got a text message from you that said, that was really great, 242 00:14:01,750 --> 00:14:05,350 or thanks for saying that. And, uh, now that you're gone, 243 00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:09,070 I can tell people that you said that. So, um, but you know, 244 00:14:09,070 --> 00:14:10,270 and that's the truth, right? 245 00:14:10,270 --> 00:14:15,110 We are paid to do the job of taking votes and we are sent there to 246 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:16,470 execute on an agenda. 247 00:14:17,610 --> 00:14:22,430 And what happens is people shy away from actually doing things because, 248 00:14:22,430 --> 00:14:24,350 and now I'm gonna roll into part two of this. 249 00:14:24,610 --> 00:14:26,630 The truth is that the general public, 250 00:14:28,780 --> 00:14:33,640 the vast majority of the general public is very happy having a 251 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,760 representative or a center senator. They don't say they're happy, 252 00:14:37,340 --> 00:14:41,420 but the data proof, so of saying, Hey, 253 00:14:41,420 --> 00:14:46,180 just show up at my little fire hall event and send me a Christmas card and I 254 00:14:46,180 --> 00:14:48,740 really like you and you do a great job. Okay? 255 00:14:48,740 --> 00:14:50,980 And I can give you a great example of that here in Lawrence, 256 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,440 Lawrence County until he got beat this last time is Chris Sonata. 257 00:14:53,590 --> 00:14:56,400 I don't know that Chris Sonata has ever actually been involved in any single 258 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,360 piece of legislation, but he did call old people on their birthdays, okay? 259 00:15:00,380 --> 00:15:02,960 And they thought he was doing a great job because of that. Well, 260 00:15:03,730 --> 00:15:07,790 you know me well enough, that's not my style. And, and, and I've told people, 261 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,790 they're like, well, hey, why don't you do some of those things? This guys, 262 00:15:10,790 --> 00:15:13,030 I'm busy. Like I'm, you know, if, 263 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,230 if I showed you today the stuff that was on my computer and everywhere else, 264 00:15:17,230 --> 00:15:20,510 and I have a million things going on, well, we're trying to move a real agenda, 265 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,910 uh, to get things done. This is my binder right here. Um, 266 00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:27,550 you can probably see it here in the background for those that are actually 267 00:15:27,830 --> 00:15:32,470 watching with all these papers in here are bills that we're running and we're 268 00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:33,790 doing, and we're moving an agenda. 269 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:39,190 So the general public wants people then all mo it's acceptable for them 270 00:15:39,190 --> 00:15:40,550 to not be really aggressive. 271 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:45,320 I'm very concerned about that because they don't say that's what they want, 272 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,320 but they vote that way. 273 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:51,200 The last part is this Democrats outspent Republicans seven to one and 274 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,200 State House races across Pennsylvania. 275 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,840 I don't know if you're aware of that or not. Uh, but it was seven to one, Matt. 276 00:15:57,260 --> 00:15:58,560 And here's the truth, 277 00:15:58,830 --> 00:16:02,440 that Republicans go to the polls and vote and think they're doing a great thing. 278 00:16:02,590 --> 00:16:06,480 Then once in a while they'll get on Facebook. Never, not so much Twitter, 279 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:07,840 but maybe more now with, uh, 280 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,560 with Elon taking over and Instagram once in a while. 281 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:14,680 And then they'll troll a Democrat. Okay? Democrats do this. 282 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,880 I talked to one of our colleagues that is extremely liberal, okay? 283 00:16:20,170 --> 00:16:22,820 I like her. I don't like her policies, but I like her as a person. 284 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,900 And she laughed and she goes, you guys, she goes, she is. 285 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:28,260 Your people don't get it. I said, what do you mean? She goes, 286 00:16:28,260 --> 00:16:30,940 you're conservative people. You guys don't get it. She is, they're cheap. 287 00:16:30,940 --> 00:16:34,380 She goes, it's all about them. I said, what are you talking about? She goes, 288 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:36,540 Erin, I, 289 00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:41,980 my volunteers and the people in my campaign that make $10 290 00:16:41,980 --> 00:16:45,100 an hour go to their boss and say, 291 00:16:45,100 --> 00:16:47,140 I wanna work two extra hours a month. 292 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,820 And then for that two extra hours a month that they made their $20, 293 00:16:51,820 --> 00:16:56,570 they contributed to a campaign and they contribute to my campaign 294 00:16:56,780 --> 00:16:59,410 so I can get our message out and make sure that we keep winning. 295 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,090 Your people make 50, 60, 296 00:17:02,090 --> 00:17:05,410 $70,000 and you can't get 'em to write you a hundred dollars check. 297 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:09,010 My people are doing these things each and every day. 298 00:17:09,150 --> 00:17:12,930 And that's how we outspend you. That's how we out, uh, maneuver you. 299 00:17:12,930 --> 00:17:16,850 And oh yeah, by the way, in addition to that extra time that they're doing, 300 00:17:16,850 --> 00:17:20,530 they're also writing postcards, asking their friends to get involved. 301 00:17:20,530 --> 00:17:23,930 They're working polls, they're doing all these things. So one, 302 00:17:24,090 --> 00:17:28,170 we're being outspent by the big, by the big donors, right? 303 00:17:28,170 --> 00:17:31,730 Cuz the big lib donors come in. Secondarily, the small donors, 304 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,170 people are really working hard. The Democrats are working hard on that. 305 00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:39,170 I'm actually starting a pack to do that as well on the Republican side. 306 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:42,050 And then third, we're being out hustled, uh, 307 00:17:42,050 --> 00:17:46,930 by the regular rank and file individuals who are putting forth the effort 308 00:17:46,930 --> 00:17:48,970 of knocking on doors. I don't know if you know this, Matt, 309 00:17:49,340 --> 00:17:52,400 but around here and around in my area, 310 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,960 Democrats are already knocking on doors for 2024 races. Okay? 311 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,160 Volunteers are actually out knocking on doors. I, 312 00:18:00,810 --> 00:18:04,400 in last week I got a report. So that was what, the 12th, 313 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,120 13th of December for 2024 for candidates. 314 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:09,333 Well, and, 315 00:18:09,470 --> 00:18:14,430 and I've started now to consult with candidates for future elections. And, 316 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:19,510 uh, and we're looking at that cycle at this point in time too. Uh, 317 00:18:19,570 --> 00:18:20,403 but you know, 318 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,870 if someone doesn't already have some claim to fame or name recognition for 319 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:29,870 2024 right now, at this point in time, it's almost too late, uh, 320 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,230 to, to outwork the Democrats. Yeah. 321 00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:35,670 And you make a great point about those small 20, 322 00:18:35,870 --> 00:18:39,470 $40 donations that come in. You know, 323 00:18:39,790 --> 00:18:43,710 sometimes that $40 is, uh, 324 00:18:43,860 --> 00:18:47,830 more of a sacrifice for that individual than the 325 00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:51,670 $500,000 check that you get from, um, 326 00:18:51,780 --> 00:18:56,270 a small business owner. Uh, albeit they're struggling as well. Um, but, 327 00:18:56,270 --> 00:19:01,270 you know, those people take great pride and they want that candidate to have 328 00:19:01,470 --> 00:19:03,950 their financial support and their contribution, 329 00:19:03,950 --> 00:19:07,710 and that makes all of the difference, uh, when we get to that. 330 00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:08,750 Yeah. Matt, what, what. 331 00:19:08,750 --> 00:19:11,300 We have to get a, oh, go ahead, Aaron. 332 00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:12,780 Yep. Sorry. I was gonna say, you know, 333 00:19:12,780 --> 00:19:15,220 I'm moving to a model with a new political action committee. 334 00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:17,620 I'm starting calling called Accountable Leadership Pack, 335 00:19:17,740 --> 00:19:20,020 where we're asking people to contribute monthly. 336 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,140 And I don't care if that's $3 a month, I don't care if that's $10, 337 00:19:23,380 --> 00:19:23,880 whatever it is. 338 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,300 But we're asking them to contribute monthly because we want to go out and help 339 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:28,900 those other candidates be successful. 340 00:19:31,380 --> 00:19:35,680 You know, Aaron, we gotta get a quick break in. Uh, when we come back, 341 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,040 I want to talk about, uh, kind of the core values of this show. 342 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:43,120 And that's one of the reasons why I had you on to discuss these important 343 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:47,720 political issues. Uh, when I, uh, dreamt up the show commonalities, 344 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:52,440 I could have had, uh, just a right wing, uh, podcast and, 345 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,360 and done my best rusher Hannity, uh, impersonation. And, 346 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:59,080 uh, and you know, you know, 347 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,680 I was in the top 10% of conservative members of, of the Pennsylvania House, 348 00:20:04,130 --> 00:20:07,480 uh, and my votes prove that, that being said, 349 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,400 what's even more important to me than my personal agenda or the Republican 350 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,920 agenda or the conservative agenda, 351 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:19,080 is the fact that people follow the rules and follow the laws. 352 00:20:19,180 --> 00:20:23,280 And that's what government is here, uh, for us, us to do. 353 00:20:23,380 --> 00:20:27,800 And if you're not, uh, following the legislative process correctly, 354 00:20:28,050 --> 00:20:30,120 uh, you can get into some real problems. 355 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:33,320 And that's why I wanted to talk about the makeup of the house between the 356 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,120 Democrats and the Republicans, and the fact that, uh, we have these rumors that, 357 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:42,240 uh, that one party's in the majority, and there's an acting speaker. Uh, 358 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,120 when we get back, I want to touch on just briefly even the fact that, uh, 359 00:20:46,270 --> 00:20:49,590 that we had an issue with the chief clerk, uh, 360 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:52,750 and we will explain the chief clerk's position, uh, 361 00:20:52,750 --> 00:20:55,550 here in the Pennsylvania House recently, um, 362 00:20:55,590 --> 00:21:00,190 where she actually cited with one party over the other, uh, 363 00:21:00,210 --> 00:21:01,470 and over the law. 364 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:06,150 So we'll get all that in when we get back after this brief break. 365 00:21:09,290 --> 00:21:13,870 You are listening to commonalities where guests find common ground through 366 00:21:14,190 --> 00:21:15,390 uncommon conversations. 367 00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:19,390 We'll be back after this brief break to recognize our sponsors. 368 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:22,630 When it comes to buying a home, 369 00:21:22,940 --> 00:21:26,190 what you see isn't exactly what you get. 370 00:21:26,580 --> 00:21:30,950 That's why home buyers should call Dave Dowling at Grandview 371 00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:35,910 Inspections at 7 2 4 2 0 8 4 1 0 8. 372 00:21:36,260 --> 00:21:41,230 You'll see colorful flowers, freshly painted walls, granite countertops, 373 00:21:41,420 --> 00:21:43,830 gleaming hardwood floors, and other touches. 374 00:21:44,140 --> 00:21:48,310 What you can't see is the cracks, ancient plumbing, 375 00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:49,830 dangerous wiring, 376 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:55,070 or broken appliances that might be revealed when you hire a 377 00:21:55,070 --> 00:21:58,750 home inspector. 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With me today is a great friend, former colleague, 438 00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:54,240 representative Aaron Bernstein. And, uh, before we went to break, uh, 439 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,560 representative Bernstein, we were talking a little bit about, uh, 440 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,080 about things that have happened, uh, 441 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,840 since this election cycle that maybe haven't been completely kosher or that 442 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,200 would give us some pause or worry as we look for, 443 00:26:09,650 --> 00:26:14,280 uh, the way that, that the next two year session will be run, uh, 444 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,280 in the Pennsylvania House in Harrisburg. 445 00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:20,960 And I know that I had brought up the situation where the chief clerk 446 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,520 sided with the Democrats over the law, and, uh, 447 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,440 I actually saw that a co-sponsorship memo was put out by another friend 448 00:26:29,490 --> 00:26:33,160 of mine, uh, and a friend of yours, I'm I'm sure as well. Yeah. Uh, 449 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,480 representative Don Keefer, uh, 450 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,040 that would actually remove the chief clerk from office. The Chief clerk, 451 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,320 of course, is, uh, 452 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,680 hired by the Bipartisan Management Committee and is a paid employee 453 00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:50,240 that is there to uphold the integrity of that chamber, 454 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:54,480 uh, and to uphold the law. And in this case, uh, 455 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,320 it doesn't look like that was done. 456 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,600 And I'm not sure how familiar you are with that situation, Aaron, 457 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,360 but if you'd like to talk about that, I'd like to go there for a. 458 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,440 Minute or two. Yeah. So, um, you know, 459 00:27:04,510 --> 00:27:06,840 a lot of folks working very closely on that one. 460 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,160 I'm focused on a couple other things, but you know, 461 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,320 clearly I'm well aware of what's going on. Some of my things, 462 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,760 different court things that I'm focused on as, you know, 463 00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:17,520 you only do so many things at once. And, uh, 464 00:27:17,580 --> 00:27:21,360 but what I do know about that is as follows. And I know that the, um, 465 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,560 the clerk said that she acts literally as, 466 00:27:27,290 --> 00:27:31,960 um, almost like a passthrough, okay? Like, yes, 467 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,920 this did happen. And yes, I'm sending this along to the Department of State, uh, 468 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,840 and you're talking about what, what you're discussing is that the Ritz, uh, 469 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,530 for the special elections were sent over from the 470 00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:48,250 Democrats. Uh, the Republicans did those same bricks as well, 471 00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:53,050 and those were also sent over by the chief clerk. And, uh, so listen, 472 00:27:53,050 --> 00:27:56,850 I think this is something that the courts are ultimately going to decide on who 473 00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:58,090 had the authority to do that. 474 00:27:58,090 --> 00:28:02,490 I'm a firm believer that the Republicans had the authority to do that, and, 475 00:28:02,490 --> 00:28:04,930 and we'll ultimately see what transpires with that. 476 00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:09,730 I think one of the things that I get very concerned about is this is when 477 00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:14,570 people don't have, or there isn't a direct answer, 478 00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:19,690 and there's ambiguity in someone's role. And in my, in my, 479 00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:24,930 uh, assessment, uh, there's ambiguity and the chief clerk's role, 480 00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:26,090 and I'll tell you, you know, 481 00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:29,490 I don't know how this hasn't happened in the last <laugh> long time, 482 00:28:29,490 --> 00:28:34,170 250 plus years that, uh, that Pennsylvania has been around. But, 483 00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:35,010 you know, the, 484 00:28:35,010 --> 00:28:38,210 these are the types of things that we need to have really smart folks looking at 485 00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:41,450 for each of these official roles and making sure that we have as little 486 00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:43,890 ambiguity in these particular roles as possible, 487 00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:49,180 and that we understand what the role is actually supposed to do. And Matt, Matt, 488 00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:50,140 Matt, if I could add to that, 489 00:28:50,140 --> 00:28:53,820 I don't think that's any different in politics or business, right? Um, you know, 490 00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:57,380 whether people should have clearly defined roles and, 491 00:28:57,380 --> 00:29:00,580 and what authority they have in order to perfor perform those duties. 492 00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:03,820 Absolutely. And, uh, 493 00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:07,740 and that that's something as a business owner and as someone who's worked for 494 00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:11,620 other organizations that, uh, that I've believed as well, you know, 495 00:29:11,770 --> 00:29:14,740 I never thought it was fair to, uh, 496 00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:19,140 to terminate or give a bad review to an employee that didn't know what the 497 00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:23,980 expectations of their jobs were. And if coaching wasn't put into place, 498 00:29:24,390 --> 00:29:28,740 uh, at some point in time going through the process. And, uh, 499 00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:33,460 and so having those clearly defined roles is something that I know is, 500 00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:37,620 uh, is extremely important. Yep. Um, you know, and, and, 501 00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:42,200 and we do have these people that, uh, that work in, um, 502 00:29:42,650 --> 00:29:47,040 in a position of authority where they're safeguarding for 503 00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:50,920 the, uh, the people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, uh, 504 00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:55,520 the integrity of a chamber of, of the House or the Senate. Um, 505 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,280 and they really have to be bipartisan. And, and, 506 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,360 and that's a difficult thing to find, um, because as you well know, 507 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,560 and as our listeners would probably agree, um, 508 00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:09,600 if you have someone who's interested enough in politics to get involved, 509 00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:14,160 they generally lean one way or the other. Yeah. Um, 510 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,360 but what's important is that we keep the, the, the playing field fair. 511 00:30:18,820 --> 00:30:21,520 And we don't use any, um, 512 00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:27,160 any advantages that we may see out there. The, there's no room for power grabs, 513 00:30:27,730 --> 00:30:31,160 um, that are not legal within our institutions. 514 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,800 Of government. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, and I would even go further, 515 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,840 I think people even that aren't in politics still have some leanings one way or 516 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,400 the other. Right. Uh, naturally you're going to be biased in some sense, 517 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,480 and I think that's normal. Uh, the, the question is, 518 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,040 do you have the ability and the, um, 519 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,840 I wouldn't even say the integrity because sometimes it's not even a bi 520 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:52,500 integrity, 521 00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:57,200 but do you have the ability to be completely 522 00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:59,650 nonpartisan, not bipartisan, 523 00:30:59,650 --> 00:31:04,370 but nonpartisan in your decision makings that impact policy? 524 00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:08,130 And, and I'll tell you, to be honest with you, Matt, like, I don't, okay. 525 00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:11,210 So I wouldn't apply for a job like that. I know that, uh, 526 00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:13,210 I know that about myself. I'm, I'm getting a con, 527 00:31:13,210 --> 00:31:17,810 I'm gonna side with the conservatives on issues and, um, you know, so I think I, 528 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,930 I think that's something that's, that's, uh, 529 00:31:19,930 --> 00:31:22,850 that's why you have to have those very clearly defined roles 530 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,950 of not, of, of, of those that are unelected and not elected. 531 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:30,910 Yeah. Of those that are unelected. And for those that are elected, 532 00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:33,270 and you touched on this earlier, uh, 533 00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:36,870 it's important for them to be transparent about who they are with their voters. 534 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,390 Um, you know, there's always the old imagery that people joke about that, 535 00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:44,870 you know, if, uh, we as politicians wore, uh, 536 00:31:45,260 --> 00:31:48,230 racing jackets like, uh, like they do in nascar, 537 00:31:48,490 --> 00:31:50,470 you would know exactly who was, uh, 538 00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:54,910 who was backing us and what we were supporting and what we didn't support. Um, 539 00:31:54,910 --> 00:31:58,310 unfortunately, sometimes you have to read between the lines a. 540 00:31:58,310 --> 00:32:00,550 Little bit. Yeah. So, one thing, if I could on that, 541 00:32:00,550 --> 00:32:04,030 and I think this is kind of interesting where, and I've been hit on this, 542 00:32:04,030 --> 00:32:07,270 and I'm sure you, you've been hit on this too when you were in office, you know, 543 00:32:07,270 --> 00:32:12,150 say, oh, this person gave you money, so you're doing X, y, Z. Right? 544 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,270 Um, first off, listen, I, I don't, that's just not the way I live my life. Um, 545 00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:20,390 you know, I, I don't live my life in a way that somebody, you know, 546 00:32:20,390 --> 00:32:25,350 writes a campaign check. So I do X, Y, Z, but what does happen is this. And, 547 00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:29,550 and, you know, I'm a pro Second Amendment guy, right? Uh, you know, 548 00:32:29,550 --> 00:32:31,270 I constitutional carry, uh, 549 00:32:31,270 --> 00:32:34,990 we worked very hard on some of those pro gun bills together with you being the 550 00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:38,390 former leader of the Second Amendment caucus. Uh, 551 00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:40,070 thanks for all your your help on that, by the way. 552 00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:42,950 We were able to get that to the governor's desk. It obviously got vetoed, 553 00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:46,470 but secondarily on this, um, because of that, 554 00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:48,150 and because I push those issues, 555 00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:52,670 there are Pro-Second Amendment groups and Pro-Second Amendment individuals that 556 00:32:52,670 --> 00:32:56,110 contribute to my campaign because they want me to continue to do that Now 557 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,790 because of that ceasefire pa, 558 00:32:58,790 --> 00:33:02,910 which wants to take away all of our guns and let you have no, uh, 559 00:33:02,910 --> 00:33:04,630 rights to anything in this country, 560 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,550 is the deals of protecting yourself clearly donates to someone that I'm going, 561 00:33:09,550 --> 00:33:12,470 that, that runs against me. Um, that it's not, 562 00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:17,390 it's not because someone provides you compensation that you do a certain 563 00:33:17,390 --> 00:33:21,830 thing. It's typically that you did a certain thing or do a certain thing. 564 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,190 So someone writes a campaign check to you to support you, 565 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,350 to continue to allow you to, to move that for that policy forward. 566 00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:35,380 So, you know, I, I want to shift gears here a little bit, uh, 567 00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:40,180 in the second half of the show and talk about what the next two years in the 568 00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:43,140 Pennsylvania House is going to look like. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, 569 00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:46,820 if you and I had a crystal ball, where would we see it going? Obviously, 570 00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:50,620 we're going to see much closer numbers, uh, 571 00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:54,660 between the Democrats and Republicans. We've already lined that out. It's, uh, 572 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:58,500 it is very possible that the Democrats will be in the majority and therefore 573 00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:03,340 will control the calendar, uh, which means they'll call up what bills, uh, 574 00:34:03,340 --> 00:34:06,100 get to be voted on, on the floor. Uh, 575 00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:10,020 they will have the chairman within the committees. So those committee actions, 576 00:34:10,510 --> 00:34:15,180 uh, could be slanted one direction mm-hmm. <affirmative> or the other. But we, 577 00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:19,060 we had a very wide gap in the number of members and, uh, 578 00:34:19,210 --> 00:34:23,060 a large majority, uh, for the Republicans, uh, 579 00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:25,860 for the six years that I was in office. Uh, 580 00:34:25,860 --> 00:34:29,580 and during that period of time, uh, 581 00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:30,900 I found that it was, 582 00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:36,020 it was hard to find common ground or consensus to work with 583 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,980 the other party. And sometimes it was hard to find consensus within, oh, 584 00:34:40,980 --> 00:34:45,060 there are party, you talk about some of those conversations in the caucus room. 585 00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:49,780 Uh, some of those were a lot nastier than anything that we ever saw on PCN that 586 00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:53,060 happened on the, the house floor. Um, you know, because we, 587 00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:55,140 we've really got into it with each other. Yeah. 588 00:34:55,550 --> 00:34:57,940 We are now going to be so close in numbers. 589 00:34:58,430 --> 00:35:03,260 Do you think that that's going to force people to work together more than they 590 00:35:03,260 --> 00:35:08,020 did before? Or are we gonna see things come to a screeching halt? 591 00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:13,140 So, Matt, I, I do not think that it will get people to work closer together. 592 00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:14,380 I, I, I do not. 593 00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:17,900 I think that what happens is people will get even more d and well, 594 00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:21,700 when I say people to work together, I mean, of opposite parties. Okay. Um, 595 00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:22,940 I do not think that, 596 00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:27,340 I think that what you'll see is that Republicans will be dug in and Democrats 597 00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:31,220 will be dug in, and it will be about how can I make the other side look bad? 598 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,900 And, and I'm concerned about that. I think that's disappointing. Now, you know, 599 00:35:36,070 --> 00:35:38,040 um, remember, 600 00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:42,800 I think it's also my duty and what people have sent me to do here is stop 601 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,200 bad things from occurring and stop bad things from happening. For example, 602 00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:50,680 anytime these gun grabbers come in and try to revoke our Second Amendment 603 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,260 rights, 604 00:35:51,260 --> 00:35:56,120 I'm going to use every single tool necessary or possible that I can 605 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,680 utilize in order to stop that from happening. So, you know, 606 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,120 I think that what we're gonna see is we're gonna see dug in 203 members dug in 607 00:36:04,410 --> 00:36:07,720 instead of, uh, collaboratively working together to do things. 608 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:09,520 So I think we're gonna see a screeching halt. 609 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,070 So what do you see as being legislative priorities for 610 00:36:17,820 --> 00:36:21,590 both parties? Uh, and, and maybe more so, uh, 611 00:36:21,590 --> 00:36:26,310 for the Democrats moving forward as this will be their first chance to, 612 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:28,470 uh, to have control, uh. 613 00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:31,550 Of the house? Well, I can tell you this. I, I think that there are, 614 00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:34,830 there are a great deal of Republicans that are gonna be, uh, 615 00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:38,710 the number one issues, the budget. Okay? Uh, we talk about that, 616 00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:41,070 and that's the most important thing that happens every year. 617 00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:45,470 I think you're gonna see Republicans that are absolutely thrilled when it comes 618 00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:47,390 to the Democrat budget. Uh, 619 00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:51,230 every Republican out there consistently says that they want to cut spending, 620 00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:53,630 they want to cut spending, they want to cut spending. But Matt, 621 00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:57,110 you and I have been in the room and we're smart enough to know and look around 622 00:36:57,110 --> 00:36:57,690 the table, 623 00:36:57,690 --> 00:37:01,790 and we see that although people tell their constituents they want to cut 624 00:37:01,790 --> 00:37:04,310 spending, they wanna cut spending for you, 625 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:06,590 they wanna cut spending in Fayette County, 626 00:37:06,590 --> 00:37:08,230 they wanna cut spending in Lawrence County. 627 00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:10,070 They want cut spending in Butler County. 628 00:37:10,070 --> 00:37:13,870 They're not real interested in cutting any of their quote unquote pet projects. 629 00:37:14,010 --> 00:37:16,750 Now, I think the difference with me on that is this, I, 630 00:37:16,820 --> 00:37:19,310 I think we gotta cut spending across the board. Uh, 631 00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:23,150 I'm one of those guys that openly says that we spend too much on K through 12. 632 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,310 Uh, we spend over $20,000 per student on K through 12, which as you know, 633 00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:31,430 is third highest in the entire country. Uh, I think that we, 634 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:35,870 that we're sending money to Penn State who consistently raises tuition, 635 00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:39,590 we're sending massive amounts of money to pit that consistently raises tuition. 636 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,110 We should get something back for that and make sure that our students are 637 00:37:43,110 --> 00:37:45,870 rewarded now. So to me, 638 00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:49,310 I think that there's gonna be a lot of Republicans that are very excited to 639 00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:52,750 spend even more money, uh, cuz that money will be dis distributed. 640 00:37:53,090 --> 00:37:56,390 And you talk about electoral issues like we talked about before, 641 00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:58,910 they get to walk around with those big checks, right? 642 00:37:59,030 --> 00:38:02,590 Those big checks and stand in front of fire departments. I, you know, 643 00:38:02,590 --> 00:38:05,950 that is incredible to me that these folks do that. You know, they, 644 00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:08,430 they stand in front of a park, they stand in front of a police car, 645 00:38:08,430 --> 00:38:11,070 they stand in front of these different things, and they say, well, 646 00:38:11,070 --> 00:38:12,590 I'm bringing money back. Well, first off, 647 00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:14,710 it never should have been sent to Harrisburg to begin with. 648 00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:18,830 And if it didn't go to Harrisburg and go through all the filters that took a cut 649 00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:23,150 out of it, we could have actually more money for these types of things. Um, 650 00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:25,190 this is, you know, it's a gimmick that's played, 651 00:38:25,210 --> 00:38:29,150 and it's a gimmick that's played solely for the purpose of getting politicians 652 00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:32,070 reelected. And I continue to be concerned about that issue. 653 00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:36,240 You know, you look at the power of incumbency, 654 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:41,080 and I think this is one of the biggest reasons why incumbents have that 655 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,760 power. You know, listen, I've been open about the, the problems that I had, 656 00:38:45,850 --> 00:38:48,840 uh, yes. You know, leading up to my decision to, 657 00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:53,840 to not run for reelection this fall. Um, that being said, 658 00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:55,800 because I was an incumbent, 659 00:38:55,940 --> 00:38:58,920 had I raised a little bit of money and kept my name on the ballot, 660 00:38:59,570 --> 00:39:02,920 there's a good chance that I would've been back regardless. 661 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,880 Of, oh, listen, you don't want. 662 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,600 You know what I did? Yeah. 663 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,720 Yeah. I mean, and, and, and, and if, if I could, 664 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:11,080 I'm not gonna go too much into the detail on this thing, okay? But I, 665 00:39:11,230 --> 00:39:14,040 I told you I thought you should have stayed. Uh, you know, I don't, 666 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,240 I don't deny about that. I, I really did. And I, because I think you did, uh, 667 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,160 not, I think you did. 668 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,320 I know you did one heck of a job for your constituents and, um, but that, 669 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,600 you know, that's neither here, nor nor there. You may, you know, you, 670 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,440 Becky and the kids all made a decision and, um, listen, 671 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,960 I fully support that as your friend. Right. Um, 672 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,960 but I'm telling you as a colleague, I, I think that was a loss. Um, 673 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,320 and I think it's a loss for your. 674 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,400 District, but it does, it does become scary that, you know, 675 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,040 you can have people that have personal problems or, 676 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,760 or things that are taking them away from their legislative duties, 677 00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:46,920 but because they are the incumbent, 678 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,000 because they bring those big checks back and, you know, I feel like we're, 679 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,760 we're picking a little bit on the fire and ems. Yeah. 680 00:39:53,790 --> 00:39:55,320 A lot. I just use that as an example. 681 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,850 Those communities. Uh, but it is, they need funding. So, you know, 682 00:39:59,850 --> 00:40:04,650 if we can bring 500 bucks back to 'em, you know, that, that, uh, 683 00:40:04,650 --> 00:40:09,450 you know, secures you at least a few votes whenever you do that. And, 684 00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:09,730 uh, 685 00:40:09,730 --> 00:40:13,290 and you said there are gonna be Republicans that will be happy with a Democrat 686 00:40:13,290 --> 00:40:15,050 budget. Yep. Um, you know, I, 687 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,570 I right now could make a list of at least a dozen, uh, 688 00:40:19,570 --> 00:40:24,530 of my former colleagues that will be happy to see spending, uh, in increase. 689 00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:27,530 And, you know, we all do have personal, uh, 690 00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:31,290 issues that we need to look at within our districts in, you know, 691 00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:33,770 in my district, there's one set of problems in Philadelphia, 692 00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:35,530 there's a completely different set. 693 00:40:35,950 --> 00:40:39,970 And so of course they're gonna fight for money for septa, for example, 694 00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:43,850 um, and for public transportation, where in my area, 695 00:40:43,850 --> 00:40:48,730 that's just not something that is necessary. But the only way to do this, 696 00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:53,650 um, fairly is to reduce, uh, the spend, 697 00:40:53,650 --> 00:40:58,330 the overall spend of the budget, um, on a universal level that, 698 00:40:58,330 --> 00:41:03,290 you know, equates, uh, with the number of people in a certain, uh, 699 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,330 area or municipality, very much like we do Reapportion. 700 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,730 Yeah. And, and you know, our good friend, um, good mutual friend, uh, 701 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:15,650 Ryan Warner has the Bill Taxpayer Protection Act. I, Matt, if, if, 702 00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:20,410 and if you want to change Harrisburg overnight, like tomorrow, 703 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,810 12 20 22 <laugh>, right? If you wanna change it right now, 704 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,250 very simply, you need to institute TPA or Taxpayer Protection Act. 705 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:30,650 And for those that don't know what that is, 706 00:41:30,970 --> 00:41:33,560 taxpayer Protection Act limits the overall spending on, 707 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,600 on the Pennsylvania state budget to inflation plus population growth 708 00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:40,760 and, you know, cpi. So it's, 709 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,520 it's imperative that we lock in that spending number and say, and people say, 710 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,240 whoa, we should cut spending guys, that's not gonna happen. Okay. 711 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,640 We do not have the votes for that. Republicans don't even wanna do it. 712 00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:56,040 I wanna do it. Matt wanted to do it. Brian wants to do it, but Republicans, 713 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,920 then I'll, we don't even have the votes for that. I don't, 714 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,400 I I bet you we don't have half the Republican votes in order to get that done. 715 00:42:03,570 --> 00:42:08,080 So Taxpayer Protection Act is the most important thing that we could do in order 716 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,080 to stop the spending, uh, that is happening in Harrisburg. 717 00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:15,580 Yeah. And if there's one thing that, uh, 718 00:42:15,610 --> 00:42:18,860 that I hope to work on one way or another, uh, 719 00:42:18,860 --> 00:42:21,460 now that I'm back in the private sector, uh, it, 720 00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:26,100 it would be to help as a private citizen advanced legislation like 721 00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:28,340 tpa. Not, not, because I think that is, 722 00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:31,740 that's so important and it's gonna be important for my kids and your kids. Yeah. 723 00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:32,573 We have young kids, right, 724 00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:37,300 that are gonna be left holding the bag years from now. A generation. 725 00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:40,500 From me, Matt, there is, I, I've said it before. I'll say it again. 726 00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:41,940 I've been saying it for the last six years. 727 00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:46,500 There is nothing more important than Taxpayer Protection Act, 728 00:42:47,580 --> 00:42:51,760 not, not lowering corporate net income tax rate, not lowering the gas tax, 729 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,440 not the most important thing that we can do for the financial, uh, 730 00:42:56,510 --> 00:43:01,070 sanity of the Commonwealth. Pennsylvania is tpa. Hands down. 731 00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:05,870 Well, uh, representative Bernstein, 732 00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:08,950 we gotta get one more break in and then we'll come back and, uh, 733 00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:10,590 give our parting thoughts. 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For a no risk media evaluation and recommendations, 800 00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:12,720 call 7 2 4 3 2 0 22 12, 801 00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:15,200 or visit us online at 802 00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:20,760 www.coordinatedthreesixty.com. Find us also on Facebook, 803 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,080 Instagram, and Twitter, 804 00:47:22,450 --> 00:47:26,000 or email info coordinated three sixty.com. 805 00:47:29,770 --> 00:47:33,960 We live in the political world, love, don't have any place. 806 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,800 We're living in time for men, commit crimes and crime. Don't only have a face, 807 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,880 we're live in a political world. 808 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,760 Well, you're listening to commonalities on w Nmb, 809 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,000 S five 90 am 1 0 1 0.1 fm, 810 00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:56,080 and downloadable any place you find your favorite podcasts. 811 00:47:56,340 --> 00:48:01,000 I'm your host Matt Dowling, alongside, uh, my friend and colleague, 812 00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:04,960 representative Aaron Bernstein. And Aaron, we just have about, uh, 813 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,080 90 seconds or less. So final thoughts for today's. 814 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,000 Show? Listen, Matt, I think I love the show and what you're doing here. 815 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,480 I think the most important thing that we need to do not only is, is uh, 816 00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:20,080 is a society here in our Pennsylvania area, 817 00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:23,680 but also across the entire Commonwealth or also across the entire country, 818 00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:27,200 is truly find commonalities that we can work together on. 819 00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:32,200 And you and I may have a different idea of an issue, but at the end of the day, 820 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,640 people are just people trying to do the best that they can. And, 821 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,640 and I think that we, 822 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,440 there's so many commonalities that we have with each other and so many 823 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,400 commonalities, even when you don't think you do, uh, 824 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,520 with people that may currently view the world differently than you do. So, uh, 825 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,560 I love what you're doing on the show. Always happy to be here. And my guess is, 826 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,320 uh, with me and you and our Rattling Mouse, uh, 827 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,120 we could probably do about an eight hour podcast and still be ready to go. So. 828 00:48:59,180 --> 00:49:01,980 <Laugh>, I don't, I don't know that anyone want, want to listen to that. 829 00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:04,100 They, they, they would not. I can tell you that show. 830 00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:07,580 <Laugh>, I wanna get you back on the show at some point in time, 831 00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:12,180 perhaps to go point, counterpoint with, uh, with someone like, uh, 832 00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:14,860 representative Jordan Harris. Yeah. Uh, who again, 833 00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:19,500 I don't agree with on politics, but, uh, love him as an individual. Yeah. Uh, 834 00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:24,140 the two of you would be great to, uh, to go point counterpoint with us and, uh, 835 00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:26,460 help us find some common ground. Thank you so much, 836 00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:30,580 Aaron Bernstein for being with me today. Thank you Matt. Here on w MB, 837 00:49:30,660 --> 00:49:34,930 S 5 91 0 1 1 fm. 838 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,650 This has been commonalities, 839 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,130 a show where guests find common ground through uncommon conversations. 840 00:49:47,170 --> 00:49:49,850 Copyright 2022 coordinated 360. 841 00:49:50,110 --> 00:49:53,810 All public rebroadcast should be done with prior written approval from Matthew 842 00:49:53,810 --> 00:49:58,690 Dowling. All requests should be sent to info@coordinatedthreesixty.com. 843 00:49:58,690 --> 00:50:01,130 Thank you for listening to commonalities.
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